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Show the scripture that says Jesus announced to the demons their certain doom. Sounds like you are making up things to distract from the truth and support the falseness your denomination teaches.

The scripture says Jesus ‘preached’ to the spirits. Stop changing the word to ‘announced’.

 

The greek term used meant to announce was kerusso, and refers to a conquerer announcing, proclaiming his victory over a defeated foe!

jesus in hades proclaimed that he was victirious over sin/death/grave/satan etc, he was LORD!

 

Show the scriptures that say Jesus went to hell to announce to the demons he defeated them.

 

It could have been the persons who died in Noahs flood, could been the demons who left their first estate, or both!

In any case, jesus proclaimed that he has won, as he was the risen lord!

 

At least you do not dismiss the fact that there are spirits of humans being held, and that it is possible that Jesus preached to them.

Do not know where you and DHK keep getting this passage is about demons.

Peter is speaking about PEOPLE. The UNRIGHTEOUS people. Jesus did not die for demons.

1 Peter 3:18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

1 Peter 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison

Please do not discount that Jesus preached the gospel there for the spirits of people who disobeyed.

1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

All will have to give account to Jesus, Jesus who is ready to judge the ling and the dead.

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead.

Why would you think that is not about people who are physically dead, when the scripture just before is about Jesus judging the living and the dead?

Neither you nor DHK have explained why Jesus would proclaim or preach anything to demons.

 

the Greek wording used 'to preach" actually means to proclaim, to announce the victory in battle over a foe!

 

I posted biblical proof for my beliefs. That is all you have to say regarding all the biblical evidence.

Now then, explain why Jesus would “proclaim” or “preach” to the demons and not to the spirits of the unrighteous people, the unrighteous people whom that passage is concerning.

 

You simply don't understand the verse that you are intent on explaining away by avoiding context. The context is Lot, who is a person. I will quote the same verse in another translation so it will make more sense to you:

(CEV) This shows that the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their sufferings and to punish evil people while they wait for the day of judgment.
--They are Godly people that are being spoken of, and they are contrasted to the perishing of evil people who will wait for the day of judgment. The verse clearly speaks of people. The context is about a person called Lot. It is not about demons at all. You are very confused.

The word preach means proclaim. Some time ago your translation, the one you used, used the word "proclaimed."
Consider all the times that the OT prophets preached.
How much of their preaching consisted of preaching on the gospel?
How much of it was on judgment?
How much of it was on the future, such as the coming kingdom?

Was there any real emphasis on the gospel in the OT preaching?
Then what makes you think that Jesus had to be "Preaching the gospel"?
There are many things a person can preach! One cannot assume that just because the word "preached" is used that it means "the gospel." It does not. It can mean anything. To assume that it means gospel would be to develop a heresy--to say that the gospel is being preached in hell. There is no gospel in hell--no second chances! That is a heresy.

So what did Christ preach? He went and proclaimed his victory.
This is what other scriptures like Jude 1:6 tell us. You have yet to deal with Scriptures like this. What does it mean?

 

Ha ha ha You are the one who says Jesus preached to demons. You are trying to confuse the reader, but I hope at least one person sees the truth and is benefitting.

As I have been saying, show just one scripture where Jesus preached to the demons.

Sounds like a passage you need to read all the way through.

Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals---these are the very things that destroy them. Jude 10

 

The Holy spirit preached to Noah generation, and Jesus proclaimed to that group in hades and/or the deomons held reserved for coming Judgement the news that he had risen, and he was the LORD!

 

One can lead a horse to water, but he can't make him drink.
Believe what you want. I will not change your mind.
You probably believe the world is flat inspite of the fact the men have seen its shape from the moon. I can't help you any longer.

 

Where is the scripture that says, "Jesus went to hell to tell the demons he was the LORD."

 

I think he's refering to 1 Pet 3:18

And he might back that up with Eph 4:9-10

However, the term Hell comes from Hades (GK) which means the place of the dead. Not the place of eternal punishment. So He may have been preaching to those in Abraham's bussom or what was called later as Abraham's bussom in Jesus' parable, that had died during the flood and not necissarily those who are in hell fire. Just a thought.

 

The readers are not confused by your incessant discombobulated ramblings.

They can read the Scriptures for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

Consider the facts:
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
--There are spirits.
These spirits are kept in a prison.
These spirits are kept in a prison because they were spirits that were disobedient in the days of Noah.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
--There are spirits (angels) that sinned.
They were cast down to Hell.
They were delivered (in Hell) into chains of darkness, (a description of prison).
It was in the time of Noah.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
--There are angels (spirits) which kept not the first estate (sinned).
They are in everlasting chains under darkness (a description of prison.
Probably during the time of Noah.

All were followers of Satan for it was Lucifer that led the rebellion against God and took one third of the angels with them. But these fallen angels took upon themselves such iniquity that it exhausted the longsuffering of God, and precipitated the Flood.
They were involved in gross immorality, and thus God said:

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
--His spirit was finished striving with man. The time for judgment had come. And it did. Once Noah was in the ark, the Flood waters came and destroyed all that was upon the earth outside of the Ark. There was a special place of eternal torment reserved for those fallen angels that the Bible speaks of.

 

jesus went to hades, and proclaimed to those there, probably both sinners during the time of Flood and deoms, that he had risen and was the Lord!

 

Yeah I would agree with that.

 

however we interprete that passage, cannot be as second chance, for that contridicts the bible !

 

I never said there was a second chance. I don't believe in a second chance. if you are not christs in this world when you die there is no salvation for you.

 

Hi Thinkingstuff,

We are referring to 1 Peter 3:18 but, DHK and Yeshua1 do not think Jesus preached to the spirits of humans, rather they think Jesus proclaimed to the demons that He was Lord.

Again, DHK and Yeshua1 are going against me about whom Jesus went to preach. They say Jesus preached, or proclaimed to demons. My question is why would Jesus proclaim, or preach to demons, that Jesus proclaimed the truth to those who have died, that only humans die and therefore it is not about demons, but rather is it about the spirits of humans.

Well, the one scripture says Jesus preached to the unrighteous, those who disobeyed. Therefore, that tells us it was not about those with Abraham, at least not according to that one passage.

Jesus did descend to the lower regions; Jesus filled the whole universe.

Jesus preached to the spirits of people. The scripture that explains this does not even mention demons, but the unrighteous. Humans are those who are referred to as unrighteous.

Salvation is about Jesus and humans. DHK and Yeshua1 need to prove from scripture that Jesus proclaimed to demons. They make a claim that Jesus said and did something without any scripture to prove it.

I hope this helps update you on this discussion.

 

You are right about the demons I don't think Jesus preached to the demons. They were already judged.