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Why Hispanics see no need to speak English!

Should those applying for citizenship be required to speak English?

  • Yes ....

    Votes: 11 84.6%
  • No ...

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • It should be an option, not requirement ...

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Not sure, doesn't matter to me ...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    13
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Crabtownboy

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What part of the Preamble don't you understand? I will be glad to explain it to you.

What part of formal writing vs. everyday conversation do you not understand?

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TCassidy

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I disagree and history also proves differently.
History does not rule on the constitutionality of a law. The Circuit Courts of Appeals and the Supreme Court of the United States does that.

And if you are getting your legal advice from Ann Coulter you may wish to get a second opinion. She is more entertainer than Lawyer. :)
 

Salty

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Here is my take on anchor babies -
The parents are here illegally. They should be sent back - now if they wish to take their child with them - that's fine .

In addition, it appears we need amendment to clarify citizenship.
 

TCassidy

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They should be sent back - now if they wish to take their child with them - that's fine .
And if they don't? Would you force parents to choose between their child and their life?

In addition, it appears we need amendment to clarify citizenship.
Why? What is it about Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinus that needs clarifying? It seems perfectly clear to me.

The children are citizens and citizens have rights. Remember the kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez by the Clinton administration? Would you have that repeated over and over again?
 

righteousdude2

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Many anchor babies are born in America and then the family moves back to their home country such as S.Korea or China.

It's just plain stupid to maintain that system.

Hey Rip, we don't often agree, but on this talking point, we are in lock step!
 

righteousdude2

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And if they don't? Would you force parents to choose between their child and their life?

Why? What is it about Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinus that needs clarifying? It seems perfectly clear to me.

The children are citizens and citizens have rights. Remember the kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez by the Clinton administration? Would you have that repeated over and over again?

I would hope that with your academic list of titles, you'd be a little less [Name calling edited] and mor Baptist (conservative). If we would start sending the whole lot of them back to China, Asia, Philippines and Mexico and all parts south of there, we'd have our borders back; jobs for all the entitled, and a nation that is able to communicate in one language!
 
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HankD

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I would hope that with your academic list of titles, you'd be a little less [Name calling edited] and mor Baptist (conservative). If we would start sending the whole lot of them back to China, Asia, Philippines and Mexico and all parts south of there, we'd have our borders back; jobs for all the entitled, and a nation that is able to communicate in one language!
Oh my, what a racist statement!


NOT!

HankD
 

righteousdude2

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So by "remove the entire family" you are advocating deporting a US citizen? You realize that is a crime according to US law, right?

Or are you advocating stealing the baby from the parents and breaking up the family? Robbing the child of his parents and robbing the parents of their child? And putting the child in the foster care system, which, in this country, is one of the very worst of all government systems?

You are aware, are you not, that God ordained three institutions. 1. The Family. 2. Civil Government. 3. The church.

Are you really advocating destroying the family which God ordained?

How [Name calling edited] of you?! God did ordain the family. YES! God also ordained laws, and man implements laws to protect their people. YES. But, destroying a family the God ordained to be citizens in the land they were born in, while they broke the laws of another nations immigration laws???? Sending them back is not destroying the family [Name calling edited]. Only in your messed up sense of morality would you have the guts to proclaim such a travesty! They came here illegally. Had babies that are really still from their loins, and those loins are illegally here, so their children are not really America in the true sense of te term!

Again, they broke the laws. Had babies hoping our stupid anchor baby laws would save them. And believe me, that is why they come here and reproduce, knowing the anchor baby law will protect their kids and become a moral dilemma to Americans in deciding to give them leniency when it comes to staying in America!

These people are intelligent and know our laws and social weaknesses, and they are betting the life's and wellbeing of their own children to keep them from being DEPORTED! What a social, moral scam!

I say you need to get real, doc.
 
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righteousdude2

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Was replying to Saved#, not you. Specifically her saying "or is it just Spanish speakers?"

Thanks for clarifying that LOL, I certainly never want to be seen as racist or threading the hook with a worm to bait racist comments!
 

LowOiL

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History does not rule on the constitutionality of a law. The Circuit Courts of Appeals and the Supreme Court of the United States does that.

And if you are getting your legal advice from Ann Coulter you may wish to get a second opinion. She is more entertainer than Lawyer. :)

Did you read the link? She quoted SC rulings and sourced her opinions (basically making them second opinions as per your request).

I agree, she makes a living as a writer/entertainer, but she has a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree, so yeah, she is a lawyer.

Do we always agree, heck no, especially how she turned from being a Cruz supporter to suddenly becoming a Trumpbot. Now she suddenly has been shifting back to being a conservative again often biting Trump's hand. Latching on to the highest floating wood come election time abandoning her so-called conservative roots. So she definitely plays a populace game just like Trump.

Back to issue at hand... even liberal wiki has sections on citizen clause of the 14th amendment. Citing some of the same things Ann talked about. Like I said, liberalism changed original intents of the founding fathers. The 14th wasn't intended beyond cementing black slaves as American citizens and putting an end to Dred Scott rulings in the future.

The SCOTUS has over time went beyond their boundary of judging to legislating. We have seen it in Roe vs Wade rulings to the perversion of the 14th. We saw it with the gay marriage rulings a year or so ago where two women SCOTUS justices ruled on something they had no right to rule upon (having performed gay marriages themselves they should have removed themselves from ruling on the matter).

The 14th needs to be amended or remove the outdated citizen clause since it no longer applies to this generation and has been corrupted to serve one world government agendas.

This lawyer question reminds me of MSNBC questioning Mo Brooks on something and then trying to disqualify his answer by saying he didn't have an economics degree...

 
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