Why I am not a Calvinist....

[Saved-By-Grace]

"Saved-By-Grace,


ooopps....except maybe for this;
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

You are referring to Acts 13:48. Where you will see both grammatically and contextually, that the verb, "τάσσω", can take the "middle voice", where the context demands it. you will notice in verse 46, the Jews regarded themselves as not worthy of eternal life (NOT God), which is the "middle voice", by contrast, the Gentiles gladly accepted this same Message (middle voice), and thereby "enrolled themselves" on God's side by their acceptance. There is no objection in the Greek grammar in the passage as a whole, to what I have said here. If there is, I would like to see it.

 

[Reynolds]

Hello Reynolds,
I was just looking at anti cal speakers....everyone of them is bogus
this clown, adrian rogers, walls, flowers are all pathetic...do you have one you think is good...go ahead and post it.
This is what I found online.....I am glad you see how foolish this man is...

Adrian Rodgers was definitely not bogus or pathetic.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Did you not have a criterion for who to select for the jobs?

Such a criterion is not obligated to be published.

So God INVITES ALL through the preaching of the Gospel to ALL, and then by design, in the limited death of Jesus Christ, rejects the greater majority!

 

[Yeshua1]

sure, give me chapter and verse. What do you make of Paul's prayer in chapter 10, verse 1? "Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.". Where he is speaking of his desire to see "them", ALL the Jews of his day, saved. He must have believed that God, in Christ, was "reconciling the world", including ALL of these Jews, to Himself, through the Gospel. ALL does not mean SOME!

Same paul also taught to us that God had elected to himself a faithful remnant out from among unbelieving Israel, so just some, not all were saved, correct?

 

[Iconoclast]

Adrian Rogers was definitely not bogus or pathetic.

he was on that message... I can go over it for you if you would like...and I will show just how pathetic it was.

 

[thatbrian]

Four-point "Calvinists"? No such animal.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Calvinism, so called was a reaction to the teachings of the reformed Dutch theologian, Jakob Hermanszoon, whose eyes were opened by the Holy Spirit, to see that some of what he had believe in, was contradictory to what the Holy Bible actually teaches. It is like those who call themselves, "5 Point Calvinists", who are deluded into thinking that all these "points" have the "blessing" of John Calvin! This is wishful thinking as Calvin did NOT believe in or teach, any "limitation" on the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He died only for the "elect"; or as some think, the "elite". God loves the entire human race, as clearly taught in Scriptures like John 3:16, and Jesus Christ came and died for this entire human race, so that ANYONE who REPENTS and BELIEVES in the Gospel, will be saved. God, says the Bible, does not desire the death of the wicked, but wants them to repent and live forever (Ezekiel 18:18-32; 33:7-20; the Book of Jonah; 1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9); not so, says the Calvinists, only a "select few", whom they say, can be saved. I thank God that His Word tells ALL who want salvation, that they CAN in the Lord Jesus Christ!

Oh geeze... how many times do I have to hear that Calvin wasn’t a 5 pointer. Really, who actually cares. We are not Presbyterians here, we don’t hold to the importance of the sacraments to be saved....we are Baptists ... saved by Grace alone and Calvin be hanged.

 

[Reynolds]

he was on that message... I can go over it for you if you would like...and I will show just how pathetic it was.

According to you. You make the assumption that you are right. He might be right. Calling someone like Rodgers "bogus" and "pathetic" demonstrates how far out of touch with mainstream Baptists you and other hardcore Calvinists are.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Same paul also taught to us that God had elected to himself a faithful remnant out from among unbelieving Israel, so just some, not all were saved, correct?

the point is that Paul, like God wanted ALL to be saved, even though all will not be

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Oh geeze... how many times do I have to hear that Calvin wasn’t a 5 pointer. Really, who actually cares. We are not Presbyterians here, we don’t hold to the importance of the sacraments to be saved....we are Baptists ... saved by Grace alone and Calvin be hanged.

ok, and your point is?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't. But here is the real problem of Calvinism. The Gospel Message is to be preached to the entire human race, but, by design, the whole human race can never be saved, because Jesus Christ did not make provision for the whole human race when He died. His death is deemed as "particular", for the sins of the "elect" only. How then is there any Good News for the non-elect? are we to tell them, by the way, I have some very Good News for you, Jesus Christ did not "provide" for you in His death and therefore you cannot be saved, and you are damned to eternal hell. You simply cannot have it both ways. The preaching of the Good News to the whole human race, can only be sincere, if God made provision for ALL their sins in the death of Jesus Christ. saying that Jesus' death was "sufficient" for all, is not Scripture, but a Calvinistic cop out!

How do you know exactly who is not elect?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

How do you know exactly who is not elect?

the point is, that God knows, and He is very able to get His message of salvation to the "elect" if they were the only ones to be saved. It is very cruel to tell the whole world that God loves them enough to want them all saved, and then reject the greater majority to eternal punishment. This is NOT the God of the Bible, not His Gospel Message. Calvinism and Reformed theology has hijacked the simple Gospel Message to make it an "elite" only salvation and do much harm to this very message they claim to preach!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

ok, and your point is?

You are always banging on about Calvin, why is that? I for one don’t give a rats arse about Calvin... or any man for that matter. Only Christ and his Word are sufficient and yes I do believe the Doctrines of Grace are reflective of scripture

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

the point is, that God knows, and He is very able to get His message of salvation to the "elect" if they were the only ones to be saved. It is very cruel to tell the whole world that God loves them enough to want them all saved, and then reject the greater majority to eternal punishment. This is NOT the God of the Bible, not His Gospel Message. Calvinism and Reformed theology has hijacked the simple Gospel Message to make it an "elite" only salvation and do much harm to this very message they claim to preach!

Now you are calling Calvinists cruel liers I don’t know a single one of them who preaches a universal gospel.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

You are always banging on about Calvin, why is that? I for one don’t give a rats arse about Calvin... or any man for that matter. Only Christ and his Word are sufficient and yes I do believe the Doctrines of Grace are reflective of scripture

I am banging on about Calvin, because the OP, in case you did not notice, has his name!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Now you are calling Calvinists cruel liers I don’t know a single one of them who preaches a universal gospel.

it is the theology that they hold to, not necessary the person., it is a sad blindness only an "outsider" can see

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

it is the theology that they hold to, not necessary the person., it is a sad blindness only an "outsider" can see

You really don’t believe that God is Sovereign do you?

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

You really don’t believe that God is Sovereign do you?

I most certainly do, and human freedom and responsibility. God has made humans as "free agents"

"The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and in order to be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess. 2:9-12)

Who can deny this teaches "free choice" of humans?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I most certainly do, and human freedom and responsibility. God has made humans as "free agents"

"The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and in order to be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess. 2:9-12)

Who can deny this teaches "free choice" of humans?

LOL—- per Jonathan Edwards, “that by which the mind chooses anything.”

When confronted with God, the mind of a sinner never thinks that God’s way is good. The mind turns away because it does not want God to be sovereign over it. The way it chooses is actually the way of alienation and misery, the end which is death. But humans think sin is best. Therefore, unless God changes the way we think, which he does by the miracle of new birth—our mind always tells us to turn from God.

 

[TCassidy]

"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation" (Mark 16:15)

Are these words meant to be that the entire human race, except none, should have the Gospel preached to?

Yes. The Gospel call is universal and is to be preached to everyone.