I never defined God down and that is the second time that you have said that I did. I question that powers means individual persons. I also question that God micromanages every petty human action.
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Why I will not accept Joe Biden as president
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I never defined God down and that is the second time that you have said that I did. I question that powers means individual persons. I also question that God micromanages every petty human action.
Because we are all totally depraved, are you saying that God has to use the most degenerate such as Stalin and Biden to punish us right away? If that is so, man is hopeless in this current situation. I mean government will always be more evil than ordinary people because people like Biden will have to defraud to get five homes and the money to hire the black gangsters to help him take power to punish the evil Americans who put another sinner in the White House. Harris will be more evil than Biden because she used her body to obtain power in California and she will have to chastise us for putting a lying thief like Biden in the White House.
Don't blame God for a Biden presidency. Blame Satan and the crooks who stole the election. God had nothing to do with that.
The Trump Christians rejected the old school Republican candidates in the primaries because they had a history of turning their backs on Christian voters after they were elected. Many republican congressional leaders were elected because they swore to rid us of Obama Care. For a while, we had two Republican controlled congressional houses, and they refused to rid us of Obama Care. Trump would have signed the bill if they had gotten it to him. The same for partial birth abortion.
Eh, chew on this rebuke from Wesley for a while and you'll probably have a good idea where I'd be taking such arguments as have been made in this thread, if I had the time and patience to address it:
3. This is the blasphemy clearly contained in the horrible decree of predestination! And here I fix my foot. On this I join issue with every assertor of it. You represent God as worse than the devil; more false, more cruel, more unjust. But you say you will prove it by scripture. Hold! What will you prove by Scripture? That God is worse than the devil? It cannot be. Whatever that Scripture proves, it never proved this; whatever its true meaning be. This cannot be its true meaning. Do you ask, “What is its true meaning then?” If I say, ” I know not,” you have gained nothing; for there are many scriptures the true sense whereof neither you nor I shall know till death is swallowed up in victory. But this I know, better it were to say it had no sense, than to say it had such a sense as this. It cannot mean, whatever it mean besides, that the God of truth is a liar. Let it mean what it will, it cannot mean that the Judge of all the world is unjust. No scripture can mean that God is not love, or that his mercy is not over all his works; that is, whatever it prove beside, no scripture can prove predestination.
~ John Wesley
That question - well its easy to trip over........
No no that is what you do. For example you reject the constitution as a God ordained authority. Yet it is the measure by which all laws are deemed legal in this country. But it doesnt suit your purposes so you separate it conveniently.
This is a strange post.
The Constitution is a document, not an authority. It is not a power but a constitution.
Do I believe the Constitution anyone of Scrioture? No, I do not. Do I believe it is the law in our nation? Yes, I do.
But even the Constitution is interpreted by he authorities in place. It is interpreted (both content and applicability) differently by which ever authority is in power due to their own philosophy.
As you know (should know) the US is governed by branches of government. The Judicial branch interprets the Constitution. The Legislative branch makes laws. And the Executive branch carries out laws.
But you are correct that I do not believe the US Constitution to be a God-breathed document for the governance of men.
Ah....your imagination is running away with you again. Who said anything about predestination????
I am saying that the God establishes all authority. You are saying God does not. The Bible says that God establishes all authority.
Once again your argument is with God, not me.
You, my friend, do not understand the constitution and its role in our legal system.
I do. It is interpreted and even amended by the authorities in power. This is how SSM came into being (we can see this in Trump's efforts to ammen the Civil Rights Act to include serial orientation). The Constitution is interpreted per the authorities in power.
And I do believe the Constitution should be followed by our government. I just do not believe it on participation with Scripture. The Constitution is not an authority over us, it is a constitution establishing our government.
I am really not sure where you came up with the idea I was "anti-Constitution" when it comes to our government. I just disagree that the Constitution is divinely inspired.
I agree that we do not blame God for a Biden presidency. The blame goes to liberals and Democrats. And yes, political parties are "powers" of the Word and by definition opposed to God. I was not talking about blaming God. I was saying that Scripture states that, if Biden comes into power, God and not man established that authority.
Blame our sin nature and wretched propensity to be power hungry for ourselves.
We never blame God for man's rebellion via Adam.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
President Trump is also a wretched sinner, whom God elevated to the Presidency. Now, God is elevating Joe Biden to that position and removing Donald Trump.
Please, people, read Habakkuk. God gives you a perfect example of how He uses wicked humans and nations to accomplish His plans.
What you are doing, by taking God out of the picture, is to make God weak and only capable of functioning in a confined area of His creation.
Either God is Lord over all His creation (every molecule) or He is not Lord over all. Instead, he would be a lesser god. And you are proposing that he is a lesser god. I reject that view. For me, God is Lord over all His creation. And I believe the Bible fully supports my position.
Wesley believed you could lose your salvation by your own actions. Wesley was wrong on many things and, like you, he completely misunderstood God's full Sovereignty.
Here's a verse from Psalm 139:16 which expresses God's full Sovereignty over all things.
"Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them."
God has raised up both wicked and honorable Presidents throughout US history. Each one was placed there by God for reasons that may go far beyond our understanding (again, read the book of Job). In every case it is established by God's ordination.
Just look at the Kings of israel and Judah. most were rotten to the core, but God did raise up once in awhile a good king, such as a hezekiah
No, you made your point already that they were all bad because we are all totally depraved. That is why God is taking us to the point of no return with Harris.
You mean one of our fellow Baptists?
Regardless of the errors which confuse the Testament in which they live, one thing is crystal clear in Scripture:
Leftist ideology is anti Christ in every way it is applied. It is quite impossible to support child sacrifice, child rape, homosexual and transsexual deviance while at the same time claiming "elect status" with the Spirit of Christ within. Those who do have deceived themselves being reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Timothy 3: [1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
Romans 1: [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Titus 1: [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
To support or embrace reprobate ideology IS TO DENY CHRIST PERIOD. These must consider denying unGodliness and worldly lusts instead of Christ and they shall live. Don't and they will perish regardless of the brainwashing received from the harlots deceiving them.
Titus 2: [11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
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Leftist ideology is anti Christ in every way it is applied. It is quite impossible to support child sacrifice, child rape, homosexual and transsexual deviance while at the same time claiming "elect status" with the Spirit of Christ within. Those who do have deceived themselves being reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Timothy 3: [1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
Romans 1: [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Titus 1: [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[16] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
To support or embrace reprobate ideology IS TO DENY CHRIST PERIOD. These must consider denying unGodliness and worldly lusts instead of Christ and they shall live. Don't and they will perish regardless of the brainwashing received from the harlots deceiving them.
Titus 2: [11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
https://www.jesussaidwhat.com/voting-citizenship-change
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