Why is lordship Salvation so hard for many to understand?

[Judith]

Brother, what sins do you not turn from when you come to Christ? When someone turns to God, they turn from their self, and their sinful lifestyle. It's a surrender of their will to His will. God, when He forgives, He wipes their slate clean. So, in essence, salvation is repenting of all their sins they have committed.

There is no essence involved. If God wanted us to repent of sin He would have said so, but He did not. He said repentancxe towards God. One does not even have to undersand all their sins to repent towards God and repentance is not 50%, 75%, or 99%. It is 100% or it is not repentance. No one gets saved by almost turning to God.

 

[convicted1]

Our sin is not the major issue in all of this?????????



Our sins have seperated us from God.


That's a MAJOR issue....

 

[Judith]

So, theorhetically, can one go to heaven without repentance?

NO! If the person does not repent they cannot have faith and by grace we are saved through faith.

 

[Revmitchell]

He said repentancxe[sic] towards God.

What you said here is very generic. Without any context it means very little. REpentance toward God in what way?

 

[jbh28]

That is very subjective. Maybe you just have three areas of your life and the next guy has 20. He has more to clean up then you have--kind of convenient don't you think? Almost as convenient as the Catholics dividing up sin into different categories. When the Muslim uses the word "submission" he means total submission. That is what the word "Islam" means. A devoted Muslim is in complete submission to Allah. (No fear of blowing themselves of up).

No one has to clean up anything in order to be saved. I've said this many times.

I agree.

First, almost all the Scripture given about repentance is directed to the Jews: spoken by Jesus or John the Baptist, or Peter on the Day of Pentecost.
Second, the other verses were used in context of Christians. For a Christian to repent of sin is quite biblical (see 1John 1:9). For an unsaved person to repent of their sins is not biblical at all.
Third, I believe the verse used (Acts 11:18) is all too often pulled out of context and used as a pretext to buoy up some pet doctrine which is not biblical.
No, repentance is not a gift from God; neither is faith. God does not give unbelievers Godly gifts or fruit of the Spirit like faith.

I believe I gave plenty of passages about repentance. Salvation is the same for us as the Jews.

I agree with you; but that is not what MacArthur teaches.

That's exactly what he teaches. I gave you a quote a couple of pages back. "It is not that salvation requires faith plus works, but that works are the consequent outgrowth and completion of genuine faith" - John MacArthur.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Repentance is not turning away from your sin but turning to the Lamb who takes away your sin!

Who takes away your sin? YOU??
If I confess every single one of my sins, vow never to do them again, and somehow manage to accomplish that, have I met the criteria for salvation? NO!!

John 1, NASB
29 The next day [John the Baptist] saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about sin all I want and it will do nothing.

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about Christ, and be saved.

He washes away my sin, not my "repenting" of them.
He gives me a new nature, not my "repenting" of self.
He grants me eternal life, not my "repenting" of my old one.

The first mention of "repent" in the New Testament is in Matthew.

Matthew 3
2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

This was John. Where did he mention sin? He didn't. What did he mention? "The Kingdom of heaven." It was "at hand" in the presence of Jesus. Jesus preached the same message just one chapter later.

Matthew 4
17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."​

Jesus and John were telling the Jews to "Change your mind. the real Lamb of God is here to take away all your sins!"

Acts 11
17 "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life [[emphasis added]." [/I]​

Does "changing your mind about sin" lead to eternal life? NO!!
Does "changing your mind about Christ" lead to eternal life? ABSOLUTELY!!

Sin separates us from God, but only God can restore us to fellowship with Him by removing our sin. We can't restore anything "repenting" of sin.

Truth be told, even many of the lost "change their mind" about sin, particularly when its consequences become too burdensome and confining.

But until they change their mind about Jesus, their changed opinion about sin -- "I really should stop drinking, doping, smoking, lying ... etc." -- is useless.

Only in Christ can that change of mind about sin be effective, and only then because of our love for Him and what He has done for us.

 

[jbh28]

:thumbs::thumbs:

This is a fact. One cannot look to the cross for their salvation and not deal with their sin. Anything else is just easy believism and ungodly.

 

[Revmitchell]

Repentance is not turning away from your sin but turning to the Lamb who takes away your sin!

Who takes away your sin? YOU??
If I confess every single one of my sins, vow never to do them again, and somehow manage to accomplish that, have I met the criteria for salvation? NO!!

John 1, NASB
29 The next day [John the Baptist] saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about sin all I want and it will do nothing.

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about Christ, and be saved.

He washes away my sin, not my "repenting" of them.
He gives me a new nature, not my "repenting" of self.
He grants me eternal life, not my "repenting" of my old one.

The first mention of "repent" in the New Testament is in Matthew.

Matthew 3
2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

This was John. Where did he mention sin? He didn't. What did he mention? "The Kingdom of heaven." It was "at hand" in the presence of Jesus. Jesus preached the same message just one chapter later.

Matthew 4
17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."​

Jesus and John were telling the Jews to "Change your mind. the real Lamb of God is here to take away all your sins!"

Acts 11
17 "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life [[emphasis added]." [/I]​

Does "changing your mind about sin" lead to eternal life? NO!!
Does "changing your mind about Christ" lead to eternal life? ABSOLUTELY!!

Sin separates us from God, but only God can restore us to fellowship with Him by removing our sin. We can't restore anything "repenting" of sin.

Truth be told, even many of the lost "change their mind" about sin, particularly when its consequences become too burdensome and confining.

But until they change their mind about Jesus, their changed opinion about sin -- "I really should stop drinking, doping, smoking, lying ... etc." -- is useless.

Only in Christ can that change of mind about sin be effective, and only then because of our love for Him and what He has done for us.

See posts 234-236

 

[convicted1]

When I was begging Him for His mercy, I told Him I knew I've sinned against Him. I begged Him to forgive me of my sins. I laid it all out on the line. I didn't give Him my long list of sins...He already knew all of them, but I was sorrowful for the sins I committed.

 

[convicted1]

Apparently the Jews are the only ones required to repent of their sins.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

See posts 234-236

I saw those. In my opinion, they are a myopic understanding of what repentance is. No offense.

I stand by that last post. Repenting of sin changes nothing. Repenting of rebellion against God -- another sin, to be sure, but the one that must be resolved before any others can be -- changes everything.

 

[convicted1]

No one has to clean up anything in order to be saved. I've said this many times.


I agree. F

First, almost all the Scripture given about repentance is directed to the Jews: spoken by Jesus or John the Baptist, or Peter on the Day of Pentecost.
Second, the other verses were used in context of Christians. For a Christian to repent of sin is quite biblical (see 1John 1:9). For an unsaved person to repent of their sins is not biblical at all.
Third, I believe the verse used (Acts 11:18) is all too often pulled out of context and used as a pretext to buoy up some pet doctrine which is not biblical.
No, repentance is not a gift from God; neither is faith. God does not give unbelievers Godly gifts or fruit of the Spirit like faith. I believe I gave plenty of passages about repentance. Salvation is the same for us as the Jews.
That's wexactly what he teaches. I gave you a quote a couple of pages back. "It is not that salvation requires faith plus works, but that works are the consequent outgrowth and completion of genuine faith" - John MacArthur.

Brother, you might want to clean this up. Your post is mixed with his....

 

[preacher4truth]

One intriguing fact within this thread is that several give their own subjective beliefs concerning repentance without even one quote from Scripture. Not one quote, no exegesis, no true interpretation, never a Scripture, just the persons own reason; i.e. 'my opinion' which is worth a truckload and more of dung.

Status quo for the church today. :thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

It is a ludicrous view that says we must acknowledge that Jesus will save us from our sin without having to repent of them also. It makes no sense.

 

[preacher4truth]

Repentance is not turning away from your sin but turning to the Lamb who takes away your sin!

Who takes away your sin? YOU??
If I confess every single one of my sins, vow never to do them again, and somehow manage to accomplish that, have I met the criteria for salvation? NO!!

John 1, NASB
29 The next day [John the Baptist] saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about sin all I want and it will do nothing.

I can repent -- "change my mind" -- about Christ, and be saved.

He washes away my sin, not my "repenting" of them.
He gives me a new nature, not my "repenting" of self.
He grants me eternal life, not my "repenting" of my old one.

The first mention of "repent" in the New Testament is in Matthew.

Matthew 3
2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." ​

This was John. Where did he mention sin? He didn't. What did he mention? "The Kingdom of heaven." It was "at hand" in the presence of Jesus. Jesus preached the same message just one chapter later.

Matthew 4
17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."​

Jesus and John were telling the Jews to "Change your mind. the real Lamb of God is here to take away all your sins!"

Acts 11
17 "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life [[emphasis added]." [/I]​

Does "changing your mind about sin" lead to eternal life? NO!!
Does "changing your mind about Christ" lead to eternal life? ABSOLUTELY!!

Sin separates us from God, but only God can restore us to fellowship with Him by removing our sin. We can't restore anything "repenting" of sin.

Truth be told, even many of the lost "change their mind" about sin, particularly when its consequences become too burdensome and confining.

But until they change their mind about Jesus, their changed opinion about sin -- "I really should stop drinking, doping, smoking, lying ... etc." -- is useless.

Only in Christ can that change of mind about sin be effective, and only then because of our love for Him and what He has done for us.

You show utter confusion concerning Biblical repentance. Congrats. :wavey:

 

[Revmitchell]

I saw those. In my opinion, they are a myopic understanding of what repentance is. No offense.

I stand by that last post. Repenting of sin changes nothing. Repenting of rebellion against God -- another sin, to be sure, but the one that must be resolved before any others can be -- changes everything.

Based on this post you also do not appear to understand what rebellion against God is. I have been unable to find a single scholar which holds to your personal view of repentance.

I do know that Millenial Exclusionists hold to it.

 

[DHK]

It is a ludicrous view that says we must acknowledge that Jesus will save us from our sin without having to repent of them also. It makes no sense.

First, where does it say one must repent of all their sins.
Post the verses so we can read them--not just copy and paste a bunch of references.

Second, when you got saved were you able to remember all the sins you ever committed? Did you confess them all and repent of each one? How do you know if you missed any?

 

[preacher4truth]

Based on this post you also do not appear to understand what rebellion against God is. I have been unable to find a single scholar which holds to your personal view of repentance.

I partly agree with you here as you're almost for a change, Biblical. I have sincere doubts that will last as I believe you'll revert to you. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[preacher4truth]

First, where does it say one must repent of all their sins.
Post the verses so we can read them--not just copy and paste a bunch of references.

Second, when you got saved were you able to remember all the sins you ever committed? Did you confess them all and repent of each one? How do you know if you missed any?

Which sins have you not repented of? Do tell.

 

[convicted1]

It is a ludicrous view that says we must acknowledge that Jesus will save us from our sin without having to repent of them also. It makes no sense.

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