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Why The RCC Is A Cult

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OldRegular

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Furthermore, the Holy Spirit indwells all true believers and will guide them to the truth if they are willing to listen. But obviously those in the RCCult are forbidden to listen. Luther listened, Calvin listened, and all those dissenters murdered by Rome listened. And I thank God that Baptists listened and still do.

Yeah, kinda like the Baptists down the street that just called a pastor that doesn't believe in hell and embraces same-sex marriage! lol BTW, Luther was much closer to the Catholic Faith than he was to yours!
Nothing compares to the heresy of worship of another human, in the case of you and others of the RCCult, worship of Mary!

You evangelicals are beginning to embrace all KINDS of heresy. Many have predicted that the evangelical collapse regarding homosexuality will be swift and for the very reason that their biblical interpretation is already so very individualized and they make much of being moved by the Spirit, God speaking to their hearts etc. All the nonsense you support and have been spouting is doing y'all in very quickly. For the most part it always been a house of cards waiting for one strong breeze to knock the whole thing over. Here is another example of what is happening all over evangelical land: http://www.religionnews.com/2015/03...icals-drop-celibacy-requirement-lgbt-members/
Given the frequency of RCCult priests raping young boys it is obvious that the cult hierarchy was aware of this homosexual perversion and overlooked it. So get the logs out of your own eyes!
 

OldRegular

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McCree, as you say:" Speaking of Constantine. If baptism is needed to be saved, then the RCC was ran for around 31 years, by a man without any of the "infused righteousness" of Christ. So, was he wasn't even part of the invisible church. Not really a Christian, if baptism is needed for acceptance into God's Kingdom.
Historically a number of popes were infidels and perverts.

Constantine wasn't baptized until right before he died. So, your own Pope must not have been too concerned with the "saving power" of baptism.
Today 06:55 AM "

It just proves that Constantine was not the head of the Catholic Church, no Catholic is Catholic unless he/she is baptized. Not one person in history was ever the head of the Catholic Church unless he/she was baptized , including our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus.

It just proves that Constantine bought in on another RCCult heresy, baptismal regeneration.
 

Walter

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Nothing compares to the heresy of worship of another human, in the case of you and others of the RCCult, worship of Mary!

Given the frequency of RCCult priests raping young boys it is obvious that the cult hierarchy was aware of this homosexual perversion and overlooked it. So get the logs out of your own eyes!

Given the frequency of the filthy Baptist clergy raping young boys & girls and cover-up it is obvious you have logs in your own eyes. When you point a finger you have four pointed back atcha!!!

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

'This little light of mine! I'm a gonna let it shine'! What hypocrisy!!! Let's put the light on Baptists like Old Regular who have been pointing fingers at Catholics while they have a cesspool in their own backyard to pump out!!!
 
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Walter

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And, BTW, Ol'Reg! I know who and what I worship. And I don't worship Mary or any of the saints. They pray for me and I do honor them but my Church forbids me from worshiping/adoring anything or anybody other than the Lord. All your false accusations can't change that fact.
 

OldRegular

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The Holy Spirit indwells all true believers. No doubt about it. THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT GUIDE ALL BELIEVERS INTO TRUTH.

Because all believers do not listen and study the Bible. Sadly when the RCCult ran the western world through the Holy Roman Empire the so-called lay people could not possess a Bible.

That is the job of the Church.
Roman Catholicism is not a Church it is a cult! That has been proven many times.

Read John 16. Who was Jesus talking to? His disciples, who would become the apostles, the first elders of the Holy Catholic Church. He was not preaching a sermon to the public. If you really think the Holy Spirit leads believers into truth, you are admitting He is the author of confusion. There are as many versions of truth as there are denominations. I have a much higher view of the Holy Spirit than that. Too bad you don't.
Your view of God is much like that of pagan Rome. Their Gods had mothers. Apparently not to be outdone the RCCult thought they needed to invent a mother for God and you have the heresy of claiming Mary is the Mother of God.

Philip Schaff in History of the Christian Church correctly writes [Volume 2, page 73]:

With Constantine, therefore, the last of the heathen, the first of the Christian, emperors, a new period begins. The church ascends the throne of the Caesars under the banner of the once despised, now honored and triumphant cross, and gives new vigor and lustre to the hoary empire of Rome.[emphasis added]

Schaff further writes [Volume 3, page 12]:

Constantine, the first Christian Caesar, the founder of Constantinople and the Byzantine empire, and one of the most gifted, energetic, and successful of the Roman emperors, was the first representative of the imposing idea of a Christian theocracy, or of that system of policy which assumes all subjects to be Christians, connects civil and religious rights, and regards church and state as the two arms of one and the same divine government on earth. This idea was more fully developed by his successors, it animated the whole middle age, and is yet working under various forms in these latest times; though it has never been fully realized, whether in the Byzantine, the German, or the Russian empire, the Roman church-state, the Calvinistic republic of Geneva, or the early Puritanic colonies of New England. At the same time, however, Constantine stands also as the type of an undiscriminating and harmful conjunction of Christianity with politics, of the holy symbol of peace with the horrors of war, of the spiritual interests of the kingdom of heaven with the earthly interests of the state.[Emphasis added]

In the last sentence above Schaff is describing correctly that cult called Roman Catholicism.
 

OldRegular

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And, BTW, Ol'Reg! I know who and what I worship. And I don't worship Mary or any of the saints. They pray for me and I do honor them but my Church forbids me from worshiping/adoring anything or anybody other than the Lord. All your false accusations can't change that fact.

And nothing you say can change the message I get from all you cult members on this board: namely you do what the pope and teaching magisterium instruct you to do and if that includes worship of Mary so do it! Furthermore, praying to Mary is worshipping Mary; praying to so-called saints is worshiping so-called saints.
 
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OldRegular

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Given the frequency of the filthy Baptist clergy raping young boys & girls and cover-up it is obvious you have logs in your own eyes. When you point a finger you have four pointed back atcha!!!

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

'This little light of mine! I'm a gonna let it shine'! What hypocrisy!!! Let's put the light on Baptists like Old Regular who have been pointing fingers at Catholics while they have a cesspool in their own backyard to pump out!!!

I don't doubt that Baptist ministers have abused children but that abuse pales in comparison to the abuse that has been a hallmark of the RC priesthood for centuries. Sadly, since the priest had the salvation of the abused child in his "Filthy Hands", it was not reported until recently but it is certain that it was also overlooked for centuries by the hierarchy.
 

DHK

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The problem with your theory (and it's really more wishful thinking than a theory) is that there is no evidence of a schism before 1054. Neither is there any evidence that a new church sprang up around the time of Constantine. There was one church before Constantine. There was no schism during the reign of Constantine. There was one church after Constantine. It was the same church before and after, except it was quite a bit larger after Constantine.

If there had been one church before Constantine and two churches after Constantine you might have a credible theory, but there were not.

Every church historian with any credibility disagrees with your position. Bruce Shelley (Baptist) and J.N.D. Kelly (Anglican) to name a couple. I've heard Leon McBeth (Baptist) takes the same position although I haven't read any of his books and can't say for sure.
First, this is not a theory. This is fact based both on the Bible, and thus the theology of ecclesiology, and then on historical records after that.

Theology first.
Ekklesia is the Greek word for church. It means assembly. In no case is it translated "The Church," nor can it have that meaning. It always means an assembly or congregation. It is correctly used in its secular sense in Acts 19.

Act 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Act 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.
--There were many of the city of Ephesus that assembled in the theater at Ephesus for a definite purpose. They were gathered together for one purpose. They were all there in one place.
Notice how it would have been impossible for this to be a universal assembly, or an invisible assembly, or a world-wide assembly, or a monstrous organization such as the RCC. It is always a local assembly such as it was here.
The word ekklesia always means local church, congregation, assembly.

Theologically speaking the RCC is not a church, it is a business.
There was no Church in the first century, only "churches."
Paul went on 3 different missionary and started over 100 local churches all autonomous one from another.
He wrote 13 books, all written to either churches or pastors of churches.
In Revelation Jesus penned seven letters addressed to the pastors of seven churches.
God is using the local church in this day and age. It is his institution that He has blessed, not the monstrosity business organization that calls itself the RCC but has no right to call itself a "church" for it isn't one--not theologically nor historically.

Others on this board are correct. It did not come into existence until the fourth century until Constantine made his false profession, and married the state with Christianity so-called. He used it for its own purpose much like Calvin did with Christianity of his day. He also married Christianity to the state and began his own state-church. Both failed.
In Constantine's day, he introduced idol's into the church buildings. He paganized Christianity. Paganism became Christianized and Christianity became paganized and the two worked hand in hand.
To Constantine's chagrin he could not bring the unity to the empire that he so wanted. There were always those that opposed it.
There were the Waldenses, the Montanists in Africa, the Cathari, and many others who always protested against the idolatry and corrupt practices of this so-called Catholic and pagan church.
It never began with Peter, and every Christian knew that. Its claims were false. They still are false. It is a pariah and blight upon the true name of Christ and His followers. The RCC does not even know what the "way of salvation" is. Their path leads to hell and not to heaven. It is opposed to Christ, and what Christ said in His Word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 

Walter

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And nothing you say can change the message I get from all you cult members on this board: namely you do what the pope and teaching magisterium instruct you to do and if that includes worship of Mary so do it! Furthermore, praying to Mary is worshipping Mary; praying to so-called saints is worshiping so-called saints.[/QUOTE]

Asking them to pray for me is no more worshiping them than is asking you to pray for me would be worshiping you. The most important form of honoring the saints, to which all the other forms are related, is the imitation of them in their relationship with God. Paul wrote extensively about the importance of spiritual imitation. What did he say, Old Regular? "I urge you, then, be imitators of me. Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church" 1 Cor. 4:16–17. Later he told the same group: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" 1 Cor. 11:1–2.
 

Zenas

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First, this is not a theory. This is fact based both on the Bible, and thus the theology of ecclesiology, and then on historical records after that.

Theology first.
Ekklesia is the Greek word for church. It means assembly. In no case is it translated "The Church," nor can it have that meaning. It always means an assembly or congregation. It is correctly used in its secular sense in Acts 19.

Act 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Act 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.
--There were many of the city of Ephesus that assembled in the theater at Ephesus for a definite purpose. They were gathered together for one purpose. They were all there in one place.
Notice how it would have been impossible for this to be a universal assembly, or an invisible assembly, or a world-wide assembly, or a monstrous organization such as the RCC. It is always a local assembly such as it was here.
The word ekklesia always means local church, congregation, assembly.

Theologically speaking the RCC is not a church, it is a business.
There was no Church in the first century, only "churches."
Paul went on 3 different missionary and started over 100 local churches all autonomous one from another.
He wrote 13 books, all written to either churches or pastors of churches.
In Revelation Jesus penned seven letters addressed to the pastors of seven churches.
God is using the local church in this day and age. It is his institution that He has blessed, not the monstrosity business organization that calls itself the RCC but has no right to call itself a "church" for it isn't one--not theologically nor historically.

Others on this board are correct. It did not come into existence until the fourth century until Constantine made his false profession, and married the state with Christianity so-called. He used it for its own purpose much like Calvin did with Christianity of his day. He also married Christianity to the state and began his own state-church. Both failed.
In Constantine's day, he introduced idol's into the church buildings. He paganized Christianity. Paganism became Christianized and Christianity became paganized and the two worked hand in hand.
To Constantine's chagrin he could not bring the unity to the empire that he so wanted. There were always those that opposed it.
There were the Waldenses, the Montanists in Africa, the Cathari, and many others who always protested against the idolatry and corrupt practices of this so-called Catholic and pagan church.
It never began with Peter, and every Christian knew that. Its claims were false. They still are false. It is a pariah and blight upon the true name of Christ and His followers. The RCC does not even know what the "way of salvation" is. Their path leads to hell and not to heaven. It is opposed to Christ, and what Christ said in His Word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Well I see you have bought into the fundamentalist mantra concerning church history, and you haven't cited a single source. I'm sure you know that most serious scholars would disagree. I'm also sure you would say that victors get to write the history or something to that effect. Of course if you want to go down that trail, we could also say that the Nazi holocaust was a big lie because the Nazis didn't get to write history.

I will take issue with "ekklesia." To my knowledge this is the word always used for "church" in the N.T. And that includes a number of instances where the context clearly implies the universal church. For example, Matthew 16:18; Acts 9:31; 1 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 12:23.
 

OldRegular

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And nothing you say can change the message I get from all you cult members on this board: namely you do what the pope and teaching magisterium instruct you to do and if that includes worship of Mary so do it! Furthermore, praying to Mary is worshipping Mary; praying to so-called saints is worshiping so-called saints.[/QUOTE]

Asking them to pray for me is no more worshiping them than is asking you to pray for me would be worshiping you. The most important form of honoring the saints, to which all the other forms are related, is the imitation of them in their relationship with God. Paul wrote extensively about the importance of spiritual imitation. What did he say, Old Regular? "I urge you, then, be imitators of me. Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church" 1 Cor. 4:16–17. Later he told the same group: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" 1 Cor. 11:1–2.

I am not dead. That is the difference. You can't understand that because the teaching magisterium has not pulled your string!
 

DHK

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I will take issue with "ekklesia." To my knowledge this is the word always used for "church" in the N.T. And that includes a number of instances where the context clearly implies the universal church. For example, Matthew 16:18; Acts 9:31; 1 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 12:23.
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
Ekklesia is used 115 times in the NT.
112 times it is translated church.
3 times it is translated "assembly" as it should be. That is in the KJV.
There are a couple of translations that consistently translate the word "assembly" in all 115 times.
At no time does the word ever warrant a "universal church" meaning.
The references you mentioned are up for interpretation. Most times they are interpreted wrongly. I have given their proper interpretation in other threads.

Darby is one such translation which is consistent in its translation. For example:
(Darby) Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, wherein the Holy Spirit has set you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God, which he has purchased with the blood of his own.
 
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OldRegular

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First, this is not a theory. This is fact based both on the Bible, and thus the theology of ecclesiology, and then on historical records after that.

Theology first.
Ekklesia is the Greek word for church. It means assembly. In no case is it translated "The Church," nor can it have that meaning. It always means an assembly or congregation. It is correctly used in its secular sense in Acts 19.

Act 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Act 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.
--There were many of the city of Ephesus that assembled in the theater at Ephesus for a definite purpose. They were gathered together for one purpose. They were all there in one place.
Notice how it would have been impossible for this to be a universal assembly, or an invisible assembly, or a world-wide assembly, or a monstrous organization such as the RCC. It is always a local assembly such as it was here.
The word ekklesia always means local church, congregation, assembly.

Theologically speaking the RCC is not a church, it is a business.
There was no Church in the first century, only "churches."
Paul went on 3 different missionary and started over 100 local churches all autonomous one from another.
He wrote 13 books, all written to either churches or pastors of churches.
In Revelation Jesus penned seven letters addressed to the pastors of seven churches.
God is using the local church in this day and age. It is his institution that He has blessed, not the monstrosity business organization that calls itself the RCC but has no right to call itself a "church" for it isn't one--not theologically nor historically.

Others on this board are correct. It did not come into existence until the fourth century until Constantine made his false profession, and married the state with Christianity so-called. He used it for its own purpose much like Calvin did with Christianity of his day. He also married Christianity to the state and began his own state-church. Both failed.
In Constantine's day, he introduced idol's into the church buildings. He paganized Christianity. Paganism became Christianized and Christianity became paganized and the two worked hand in hand.
To Constantine's chagrin he could not bring the unity to the empire that he so wanted. There were always those that opposed it.
There were the Waldenses, the Montanists in Africa, the Cathari, and many others who always protested against the idolatry and corrupt practices of this so-called Catholic and pagan church.
It never began with Peter, and every Christian knew that. Its claims were false. They still are false. It is a pariah and blight upon the true name of Christ and His followers. The RCC does not even know what the "way of salvation" is. Their path leads to hell and not to heaven. It is opposed to Christ, and what Christ said in His Word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

We have had our differences Brother DHK and likely will again but I want to tell you it was a real pleasure to read the above and very much appreciated!
 

Walter

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I am not dead. That is the difference. You can't understand that because the teaching magisterium has not pulled your string!

Those in Christ are ALIVE (souls). Their bodies will join to make them 'complete' just as Christ's glorified body and soul are joined. And when Jesus was transfigured on the mount with his three disciples, guess who appeared with Him? Moses and Elijah! Yes, our bodies are dead, having died in Christ, but the soul lives, and we will all be resurrected body AND soul.

And, Old Regular, before you go off into cries of 'NECROMANCY', why don't you find out what it really is. Isn't necromancy attempting to communicate with the dead? When we ask a Saint to pray for us we are NOT asking them to speak to us. We are sending up a petition but not expecting or asking for a response. Whereas when one communicates with the dead one asks questions and hopes for an actual response to glean information on the 'other side'.

The reason this is forbidden (I believe) is because it opens the door to the great Deceiver who could, under the guise of being a loved one who has passed, tell us all kinds of terrible things about the afterlife that aren't true and thus throw our spiritual journey into turmoil.

Instead of blindly attacking anything that LOOKS like what we are forbidden to do, perhaps you should examine exactly what necromancy is and what it means.
 
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OldRegular

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Those in Christ are ALIVE (souls). Their bodies will join to make them 'complete' just as Christ's glorified body and soul are joined. And when Jesus was transfigured on the mount with his three disciples, guess who appeared with Him? Moses and Elijah! Yes, our bodies are dead, having died in Christ, but the soul lives, and we will all be resurrected body AND soul.

And, Old Regular, before you go off into cries of 'NECROMANCY', why don't you find out what it really is. Isn't necromancy attempting to communicate with the dead? When we ask a Saint to pray for us we are NOT asking them to speak to us. We are sending up a petition but not expecting or asking for a response. Whereas when one communicates with the dead one asks questions and hopes for an actual response to glean information on the 'other side'.

The reason this is forbidden (I believe) is because it opens the door to the great Deceiver who could, under the guise of being a loved one who has passed, tell us all kinds of terrible things about the afterlife that aren't true and thus throw our spiritual journey into turmoil.

Instead of blindly attacking anything that LOOKS like what we are forbidden to do, perhaps you should examine exactly what necromancy is and what it means.

Constantine opened the doors and invited the "Great Deceiver" into what became the RCCult over 1600 years ago and he is still there!

It is very sad that so many people have been deceived by the puppets of the "Great Deceiver" and will not understand that there is only one mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 

Walter

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Constantine opened the doors and invited the "Great Deceiver" into what became the RCCult over 1600 years ago and he is still there!

It is very sad that so many people have been deceived by the puppets of the "Great Deceiver" and will not understand that there is only one mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The fact is that you don't know the difference between an intercessor and a mediator.
 

OldRegular

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The fact is that you don't know the difference between an intercessor and a mediator.

There is no difference except in the mind of those who's strings are pulled by the teaching magisterium or the pope!

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
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