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Why we must be born again !
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Yup, but I did do a stint with the 'New School' free willers first....
I figured ya did!... Those who come out of the free willers seem to me to have a greater fire than those who grew-up in it!... I grew-up in the church I knew nothing else!... That's just my opinion, how do you see it?... Brother Glen
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RT said:
NET footnote said:
Paul quite clearly indicated the Law had become our "escort" to Christ! So this passage (Gal. 3:24-25) provides yet more evidence that fallen people can be escorted, guided, lead to Christ. And note the "hina" clause providing the reason for us to be escorted to Christ - that out of faith we may be justified. Its a lock!
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Escort...YES!!!!! :thumbsup: "To Christ"...NO—at least not in the way you think. It is more like "up to Christ" which is why most modern translations translate it as "until Christ". Did you read the whole BDAG entry on "παιδαγωγός"? You should also take a look at Daniel Wallace's "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics" for better insight on this use of "παιδαγωγός" and also "εἰς".
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Augustine also believed in free will before he believed in... well whatever you call it??
With Augustine, it was Catholicism.
Thus, Total Spiritual Inability has once again been shown using scripture (Galatians 3:24-25) to be mistaken doctrine. The Law would not be able to escort fallen individuals to Christ, unless they could discern their need for Christ based on OT scripture. Thus they can understand spiritual milk.
No "thus" is warranted. You are mistaken regarding Galatians 3:24,25. Neither spiritual inability nor ability is shown in this text.
You are not paying attention to what RT had explained to you. The law isn't our escort to Christ. It is our guardian until Christ came. Even the NET note you had quoted said so.
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Those in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8, none by nature seek God Rom 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Gal 3:24-25 says nothing about the Law escorting fallen individuals to Christ, or that fallen individuals know their need for Christ, that would contradict Rom 3:11, nor does it say that fallen individuals spiritually dead can understand spiritual milk !
The Milk of the word is for New Born Babes of New Birth 1 Pet 2:1-2
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
They were New Born Babes because they had been Born again 1 Pet 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
If born again they were not fallen sinners ! Everything you stated therefore is invalid and not supported by scripture, just your imagination !
WHAT!?!?! Did you pay attention to anything I said??
Amen!!
And amen again.
And once again the Calvinists offer ad homenims, i.e. did you pay attention, and merely post "taint so" assertions devoid of merit.
Galatians 3:24-25 means what it says, the Law has become our escort (tutor, leader, guide) to Christ. The Law's function changed when Faith (Christ) came, and now functions to lead us to Christ so that we may be justified by faith. Thus, unregenerate people have sufficient spiritual ability to be able to be escorted to Christ. It is a lock.
In you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven. Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy. See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel. And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming.
Galatians 3:24-25 means what it says, the Law has become our escort (tutor, leader, guide) to Christ. The Law's function changed when Faith (Christ) came, and now functions to lead us to Christ so that we may be justified by faith. Thus, unregenerate people have sufficient spiritual ability to be able to be escorted to Christ. It is a lock.
In you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven. Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy. See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel. And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming.
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I thought you needed a good bible and Greek lexicon but you need an education. You just eluded everything. You have no verse to back up what you're saying. Everything you've said thus far has been shut down and you come with the same error of repeated assertions. Your evasion and incomprehension has been confirmed by several others (by two or more witnesses this is established...Deut. 19:15) Glad all of this is available for everyone to see.
To everyone else, for refutation of Van's misguided -ology (I can't even call it theology), just reference the previous posts.
Until you've addressed what I've posted your arguments are invalid and your repeated assertions along with the rest of your logically fallacious are ignored.
On a side note: Thanks for proving the strength and logic of Calvinism. :thumbs:
RT continues to post fiction. He addresses my needs which is using the logical fallacy of an ad homenim. Nothing new there. Then he says no verse backs up Galatians 3:24-25. It is God's inspired word, the Law escorts, guides, leads us to Christ. Period.
Then the claim everything I have said has been shutdown. Yes, the 'taint so" claim that scripture does not mean what it says has been repeated over and over, to deny one scripture after another.
And then, LOL, the claim something of merit has been posted in the past.
If you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven. Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy. See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel. And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming.
Then the claim everything I have said has been shutdown. Yes, the 'taint so" claim that scripture does not mean what it says has been repeated over and over, to deny one scripture after another.
And then, LOL, the claim something of merit has been posted in the past.
If you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven. Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy. See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel. And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming.
I see SBM, has repeated the claim 1 Corinthians 3:1 does not teach Paul spoke to babes in Christ as "men of flesh" presenting spiritual milk, or the fundamentals of the gospel. Just read it. Pay no attention to the taint so crowd.
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as infants in Christ." And how did Paul speak? I gave you milk to drink. Thus men of flesh and infants in Christ both can receive and be nourished by spiritual milk. It is a lock.
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as infants in Christ." And how did Paul speak? I gave you milk to drink. Thus men of flesh and infants in Christ both can receive and be nourished by spiritual milk. It is a lock.
Until you've addressed what I've posted your arguments are invalid and your repeated assertions along with the rest of your logically fallacious are ignored.
If you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven.
Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy.
See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel.
And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming. Unregenerate people have enough spiritual ability that the Law (OT scripture) can escort or lead them to Christ.
Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy.
See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel.
And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming. Unregenerate people have enough spiritual ability that the Law (OT scripture) can escort or lead them to Christ.
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