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standingfirminChrist said:
As my wife pointed out earlier, the wine that is a curse to man is not the same as the wine that is a blessing. One is alcoholic and the other isn't.
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I'm still waiting on your wife to tell me what wine is found in Isaiah 25:6. Maybe you can enlighten us...
 
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Ivon Denosovich said:
Interesting point. What about meds (besides alcohol) used for surgery?
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I also showed once that a dose of NyQuil has more alcohol in it than a glass of wine (although I guess it depends on the size of the glass). I wonder how many people who are so proud of never touching wine because they think even one glass will make you "drunk" have had a dose of NyQuil?
 
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npet, I think it's a given that alcohol is a drug, so similarly, it can be used for medicinal purposes. So I doubt anyone here forbids alcohol use in this manner.

I am aware red wine helps stop or lessens the effects of blindness caused by wet macular degeneration. My friend is almost blind, and sadly, he won't drink red wine.
 
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npetreley said:
I also showed once that a dose of NyQuil has more alcohol in it than a glass of wine (although I guess it depends on the size of the glass). I wonder how many people who are so proud of never touching wine because they think even one glass will make you "drunk" have had a dose of NyQuil?
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No Nyquil here.
 
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standingfirminChrist said:
As a matter of fact, I have put beer in the freezer when I was a young man. It did not freeze.

My wife has also informed me that she did in times past.
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Either your freezer was broke, or you are not being honest. Beer freezes at 28 degrees fahrenheit.
 
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webdog said:
Either your freezer was broke, or you are not being honest. Beer freezes at 28 degrees fahrenheit.
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I am being honest. And if the freezer was broke, the ice cube tray sure did not show it, nor did the frozen meats and vegetables that were in it.
 
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standingfirminChrist said:
I am being honest. And if the freezer was broke, the ice cube tray sure did not show it, nor did the frozen meats and vegetables that were in it.
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So you had the one beer in history to not freeze? What were you doing with a beer in the first place?
 
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Isa 25:6
¶ And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of
wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

how does one differintiate if it is new or old wine here?
 
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Looks like this is where all the fun is, so I think I'll chime in. Some say "wine is wine" meaning all wine is fermented and alcoholic, and some say that some wine is fermented and some isn't.

So I went to the Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible. Here's what it says:
yayin: This is the usual word for the fermented juice of the gape and is generally rendered "wine" in RSV and KJV. It is used four times in the OT, appears in the cognate lnaguages, but perhaps is not of Semitic origin. The Greek equivalent is oivos.

tirosh: The usual tr. of this word is "wine," but RSV and KJV occasionally render it "new wine," which is its actual meaning. It was specific to comparatively fresh grape juice which was not fully aged.
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So those who insist that all wine mentioned in the Bible is fermented and alcoholic don't appear to have all the facts. For now, since I don't have any desire to imbibe, I'll stick with the experts. But if in the future I find that I want to go to the bar, I'll probably switch sides and agree with webdog and tiny.

The encyclopedia article went on to say:
References to tirosh indicate that when incontinently used it was intoxicating. Hosea 4:11 says that both "yayin and tirosh" take away the understanding" (cf. Judg 9:13; Acts 2:13) The LXX renders the word tirosh by oinos.
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The two types of wine are obviously not equal.

Now someone brought up the Corinthians being drunken at the love feasts.

There is more than one form of intoxication. People are intoxicated by overeating and gastro-intestinal fermentation. It's real fermentation, and the sugars are being converted to alcohol. It's not direct like taking Jose Cuerva with a little salt and lime, but it's intoxication none the less. It contributes to the sluggishness and sleepiness one feels after he has gorged himself. (Ever wonder why folks say to "feed a cold"?)

Thus Ecc. 10:17, Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
 
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tirosh: The usual tr. of this word is "wine," but RSV and KJV occasionally render it "new wine," which is its actual meaning. It was specific to comparatively fresh grape juice which was not fully aged.
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This means simply that the fermented wine is closer to fresh juice than to the fully aged wine (wine on the lees), but it's not fresh grape juice, it is a wine vintage the same year it was squeezed. Noah got drunk off of "new wine". While not fully aged, it was still wine. Think of biblical wine coolers.

(7.) Tirosh, properly "must," translated "wine" (Deut. 28:51);
"new wine" (Prov. 3:10); "sweet wine" (Micah 6:15; R.V.,
"vintage"). This Hebrew word has been traced to a root meaning
"to take possession of" and hence it is supposed that tirosh is
so designated because in intoxicating it takes possession of the
brain. Among the blessings promised to Esau (Gen. 27:28) mention
is made of "plenty of corn and tirosh." Palestine is called "a
land of corn and tirosh" (Deut. 33:28; comp. Isa. 36:17). See
also Deut. 28:51; 2 Chr. 32:28; Joel 2:19; Hos. 4:11, ("wine
[yayin] and new wine [tirosh] take away the heart").


http://dict.die.net/wine/

So those who insist that all wine mentioned in the Bible is fermented and alcoholic don't appear to have all the facts. For now, since I don't have any desire to imbibe, I'll stick with the experts. But if in the future I find that I want to go to the bar, I'll probably switch sides and agree with webdog and tiny.
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It's obvious someone doesn't have all the facts. Your so called "experts" are more accurately described as "eisegetes".
 
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