Wise and Foolish Virgins

So SFIC where is the wedding feast if not in heaven?

Jesus is telling you an earthly story to help you understand a spiritual reality. This is what's going to take place in heaven after the judgment seat. There are going to be some that think they are prepared for the wedding and then there are going to be those that ARE prepared for the wedding.

It's amazing that something is so absolutely clear and yet you continue to deny it to hold on to your tradition.

 

And this is exactly why I share, because you never know who's reading and you never know when God's going to turn on the Light switch in someone's spirit.

Understanding Scripture the way it was laid out makes a lot of the confusing passages just disappear. It's amazing. God's Scriptures are truly amazing!!!

 

Gekko you were either misunderstanding what I was saying or reading to far into what I said.

The only people that even have a shot at being prepared for the return of Christ are the saved. All 10 of these virigins could have been wise. All 10 of them could have taken oil with them. But 5 did not, because they were foolish. While they were unprepared when he came they had the ability to prepare, but chose not to.

An unsaved person can not prepare themselves for the coming of Christ. They only thing and unsaved person can do is accept the death and shed blood of Christ on their behalf. Then and only then are they able to prepare themselves for Christ's return.

Again there is nothing in the text that shows they were unsaved. The numbers alone tell us a completely different story. Ten is the number of completion of what is in view. All 10 virigins were either saved or all 10 where either unsaved. They were all the same to begin with.

Again they were split into groups of five. Five is the number of grace. Do you think it just odd coincidence that these numbers are used. Again why didn't the Holy Spirit use 9-1, 8-2, 7-3, 6-4? Why 5-5?

 

Linda I'll ask you like I asked SFIC can you show me any other passage in the Bible where an unsaved human is pictured in heaven in his unsaved condition?

Then can you also answer the question as to why this man was called a friend by the king? Unsaved individuals are not God's friends.

Again the context is not spiritual salvation. Spiritual salvation is settled before a person dies. This is a picture of what is to take place after a person dies.

And again you all want people to jump through all kinds of hoops to come to the same conclusion that you are coming to so you can hold on to traditional teaching.

The simple, plain facts are the texts do not support what you are trying to say.

 

And we have another Bobism sighting

 

Nice edit job Bob after I had already posted. You're a sly little devil aren't you. I'm going to have to keep my eye on you. Edit your post after someone has already posted and them make them look bad. I see your tactics Bob

Bob I will give you this much on this verse. It may or may not be a prayer of eternal salvation. In my uneducated look at the language it seems to be a possibility. However here is my struggle.

One we have no mention of Jesus Christ, His death or His shed blood. That makes me really struggle with it being a prayer of eternal salvation. Just admitting to God that you are a sinner and asking for mercy doesn't make you saved.

Two we are not told whether this person is a Jew or else. He is directly compared with a Pharisee so I think that it is just as legitimate that this man is a Jew, but is said to be a tax collector to even heighten the comparison in the parable.

If this man is a Jew then this verse is definitely not a prayer for eternal salvation.

For obvious reasons I am leaning the opposite way than you are, but I will at least admit that it is a possibility, and I'll have to do some more checking.

However, it doesn't say that all people have to pray to be saved. So my point still stands on that issue. Praying is not a requirement of eternal salvation. Can people pray sure, but they are saved before they even say the words, because they have already believed or they wouldn't be praying.

Praying doesn't bring on the faith, faith can bring on the prayer!

 

SFIC just reading your posts just breaks my heart. Because you just continually try to refute the obvious. You don't admit that the word is plural so that you can prove your point, but then you admit that the word is plural but it still proves your point when yesterday it being plural didn't prove your point.

Then you say the writer made mistake becuase he should have used the word saint instead of saints. I mean really.

Man you just really have to work to hold on. My heart truly aches for you! :tear:

There's just no way to get that text to say what you want it to say, but yet you still refuse to conform to Scripture.

 

SFIC it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see all the twisting and dodging and ducking and ignoring that has gone on with you and some others.

You have CLEARLY been shown that Revelation 19:8 doesn't say what you want it to say, but you continue to refuse to conform to Scripture. And yet you make the wild claim that you hold on to the Word of God.

Well the Word of God says the righteous acts of the saints, so are you going to believe that or not. It doesn't say the Righteousness of God that is given to the saints, but the saints are to clothe themselves in their righteous acts (awards).

That's plainly what the Word of God says.

 

Here is your quote:

I have to admit that when I went back to confirm it is a little confusing. You say maybe and then you say is. Maybe means can be, but maybe not, but is means definite. You use both in your statement, so I'm not really sure what you mean.

Well let me show you AGAIN.

Here is the original Greek word used in the Revelation 19:8 text in question.

dikaiwmata - That is the plural form of the Greek word -dikaiwma

There is nothing to deny there. It is plainly a plural word. You can either accept it or continue to reject Scripture.

And it doesn't say the multiple righteousness of Christ/God, but the multiple righteousness of the saints. It doesn't say anything about God giving the saints the righteousness. Eternal salvation is God clothing you. This verse says we are to clothe ourselves. Again and again and again it has been shown to you that your view does not match up with Scripture. Period. It just doesn't.