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Wise and Foolish Virgins
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Brother Bob
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so you believe all of Israel were Israel and they never back slide. ok peace
It is comical when you post something and I post a Scripture that denys it you say I am cherry pickin, lol
Bob backsliding and unsaved are two totally different things. You have yet to post a Scripture that corrects a view that I hold, becuase I promise you on the day that you do I will change my mind and switch my views. I've already done it once so I am open to what the Bible teaches. I am not above eating crow if I can align with Scripture even closer.
standingfirminChrist
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Bob,
We will suffer persecution for standing and preaching the truth.
As to the man at the wedding feast, He did not put on the clothes that were naturally supplied by the host. Because he came in his own filthy rags (unrighteousness), and was not clothed in garments offered (righteousness), he was bound hand and feet and cast into outer darkness.
The Psalmist said in Psalm 5:5 The wicked shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
We will suffer persecution for standing and preaching the truth.
As to the man at the wedding feast, He did not put on the clothes that were naturally supplied by the host. Because he came in his own filthy rags (unrighteousness), and was not clothed in garments offered (righteousness), he was bound hand and feet and cast into outer darkness.
The Psalmist said in Psalm 5:5 The wicked shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Brother Bob
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I can claim the same exact verse. So what have you proven. I have been called a heretic, a Gnostic, a false teacher, a Baptist brider, a Mormon, a Jehovah's Witness, a cult leader and I can't remember all the names I have been called.
I certainly don't remember calling you all any names other than possibly a false teacher, because I believe your teachings to be false and I believe both of you are teachers, so that would only go hand in hand.
SFIC you didn't answer my question. How did the "unsaved" man make it past the All-Knowing, Almight God into heaven? Was God sleeping on His watch? Did Peter and Paul miss their duty at the pearly gate?
How did this unsaved man get into heaven in the first place.
Can you show me one other place in Scripture where an unsaved human is seen in God's heaven?
Again all these verses you two keep pulling out keep doing nothing put proving my point for me. Keep up the great work!
The wicked shall not stand. Not be unsaved. God does hate workers of iniquity. And they will reap the payment of their disobedient work.
You have got to get it out of your heads that all Christians are faithful, obedient overcomers, because that is just not the picture the Bible paints for us!
standingfirminChrist
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One has to acknowledge in one's heart that one is a sinner.
Bob now your cherry picking doesn't even have anything to do with the subject at hand. So Hannah rejoiced in her salvation, what does that have to do with this topic.
That's what I love about you Bob, is you just pull up these odd verses that don't have anything to do with the topic and you provide no explanation as if people are supposed to start bowing down as if Brother Bob has spoken.
You're a funny guy Bob. I like you. I don't agree with you much, but I like you!
Of course you do. If you don't even think yourself to be a sinner then why would you believe that Someone died on your behalf to pay your debt. That just wouldn't make a lot of sense.
Again you and Bob must be playing tiddly-winks in left-field together, becuase you two are bringing up all kinds of stuff now
standingfirminChrist
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JJump said:
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Jesus is the only true way to heaven. Many will try to get to heaven by many other ways... their works, their religion, etc....
Others who try to make their way into heaven by going any other way than through the true Door, Jesus Christ will fall into the hands of a living God.
Psalms 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
Never knew that God assigned them gate duty. Sounds like a Catholic teaching.
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The problem is you are failing to address the issue. This man is not trying to get into heaven and he's not sneaking around the perimeter. This guy is smack dab in the middle of heaven and seated at the table in the wedding.
How did this man make it into heaven. He's not about to make it into heaven. He's already there. How did this unsaved man get into heaven?
It's a simple question. Well it's really not, because there's not telling what kind of wild story you are going to have to come up with to get this Scripture to say what you want it to say.
Amen! So God is not fool. How does this unsaved man make it into the wedding feast and sit down at a table? That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
Unsaved people are not in the presence of God. I notice that you haven't been able to give another reference where an unsaved human being is in heaven.
I don't know you very well, but that sounds like a joke on top of my joke, so I'll :laugh:
standingfirminChrist
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Nowhere does the Bible say the man made it into heaven. It says a man tried to attend a feast on his terms and not the hosts.
Same with the sinner, He will not be given entrance into heaven on his terms, but God's. And those terms are to be clothed in the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And quit accusing me of twisting scripture and cherry picking. You forget, in your finger pointing you have three of your own pointing back at you. What cherries are you guilty of picking? What scripture are you twisting? I can name several I have seen twisted by you.
Well let's just see what the text says shall we?
But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
The wedding feast is in heaven. On that point surely we can agree. So this verse tells us that the king came in to where the wedding feast was going to take place. He was on the inside and on the inside was this man that didn't belong.
Look at this verse where the king actually addresses the individual INSIDE the wedding feast:
and he said to him, `Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless.
SFIC how did this unsaved man make it into heaven? Please show me one other place in Scripture were God actually addresses an unsaved man in heaven.
Quit doing it and we won't have a problem
Let's see them then.
standingfirminChrist
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What verses have you twisted?
How about the verses at hand? You say saved persons will be turned away. Yet Jesus says He will not cast out those who come to Him.
How about the verses at hand? You say saved persons will be turned away. Yet Jesus says He will not cast out those who come to Him.
Well let's just see what the text says shall we?
But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
The wedding feast is in heaven. On that point surely we can agree. So this verse tells us that the king came in to where the wedding feast was going to take place. He was on the inside and on the inside was this man that didn't belong.
Look at this verse where the king actually addresses the individual INSIDE the wedding feast:
and he said to him, `Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless.
SFIC how did this unsaved man make it into heaven? Please show me one other place in Scripture were God actually addresses an unsaved man in heaven.
But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
The wedding feast is in heaven. On that point surely we can agree. So this verse tells us that the king came in to where the wedding feast was going to take place. He was on the inside and on the inside was this man that didn't belong.
Look at this verse where the king actually addresses the individual INSIDE the wedding feast:
and he said to him, `Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless.
SFIC how did this unsaved man make it into heaven? Please show me one other place in Scripture were God actually addresses an unsaved man in heaven.
standingfirminChrist
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The man is not in heaven. Jesus was telling a parable. You must be one of the ones who it is not given to understand parables, cuz you sure don't understand this one, nor the one about the virgins if you believe they represent saved people being cast into outer darkness.
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Mt. 22:14
“For many are called, but few are chosen.” - Mt 22:14
This statement comes at the end of a parable of the king arranging a wedding for his son (Mt 22:1-13). Those who were first called to the wedding not only refused to come, they killed the king’s messengers. The king then ordered his servants to go into the highways and “gatherer together all as many as they found, both bad and good” to the wedding. After the wedding had been furnished with guests, the king found a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. He had presumptuously attended the wedding but had refused to wear the proper garment which had been provided by the king. This illustrates a sinner who thinks he can approach God through some means other than through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. The wedding garments were freely provided by the host as part of the wedding celebrations, and this illustrates the gift of salvation to all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The man without the proper garment illustrates the sinner who rejects the Gospel of the free grace of Christ and attempts to approach God on some other basis, such as sacraments. The many who are called refers to every person who hears the Gospel of Jesus Christ. True Bible salvation is a message to “whosoever will” (Joh 3:16; Re 22:17). God desires that all men be saved (1Ti 2:3-4; 2Pe 3:9). This is plainly taught in the parable: “Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage” (Mt 22:9). Christ commanded the Gospel to be preached to “every creature” (Mr 16:15). The few who are chosen refers to those who respond to the Gospel by faith and who receive the salvation offered in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Things Hard To Be Understood--David Cloud (Matthew 22:14)
“For many are called, but few are chosen.” - Mt 22:14
This statement comes at the end of a parable of the king arranging a wedding for his son (Mt 22:1-13). Those who were first called to the wedding not only refused to come, they killed the king’s messengers. The king then ordered his servants to go into the highways and “gatherer together all as many as they found, both bad and good” to the wedding. After the wedding had been furnished with guests, the king found a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. He had presumptuously attended the wedding but had refused to wear the proper garment which had been provided by the king. This illustrates a sinner who thinks he can approach God through some means other than through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. The wedding garments were freely provided by the host as part of the wedding celebrations, and this illustrates the gift of salvation to all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The man without the proper garment illustrates the sinner who rejects the Gospel of the free grace of Christ and attempts to approach God on some other basis, such as sacraments. The many who are called refers to every person who hears the Gospel of Jesus Christ. True Bible salvation is a message to “whosoever will” (Joh 3:16; Re 22:17). God desires that all men be saved (1Ti 2:3-4; 2Pe 3:9). This is plainly taught in the parable: “Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage” (Mt 22:9). Christ commanded the Gospel to be preached to “every creature” (Mr 16:15). The few who are chosen refers to those who respond to the Gospel by faith and who receive the salvation offered in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Things Hard To Be Understood--David Cloud (Matthew 22:14)
Sorry if I interrupt. This is very compelling.
If I am getting the gest of this (or at least one side of it) that the parable of the 10 virgins indicates there are 2 states of salvation.
Eternal life and eternal life plus. The plus being a body and 1000 years in the Kingdom of Heaven.
The oil is the determining factor for qualifying for the 'plus' so you can have a lit lamp and join the procession to go in with the bridegroom.
It seems that if I have that correct, then the oil would be righteousness or works counted as righteousness.
The sleeping in verse 5 would be death and you wake and have stored up sufficient oil for your lamp or not. If not where are you going to get some, that life is over.
I think idea of 2 states could help explain other confusing , 'lose salvation' verses. Very interesting.
If I am getting the gest of this (or at least one side of it) that the parable of the 10 virgins indicates there are 2 states of salvation.
Eternal life and eternal life plus. The plus being a body and 1000 years in the Kingdom of Heaven.
The oil is the determining factor for qualifying for the 'plus' so you can have a lit lamp and join the procession to go in with the bridegroom.
It seems that if I have that correct, then the oil would be righteousness or works counted as righteousness.
The sleeping in verse 5 would be death and you wake and have stored up sufficient oil for your lamp or not. If not where are you going to get some, that life is over.
I think idea of 2 states could help explain other confusing , 'lose salvation' verses. Very interesting.
standingfirminChrist
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Gofwd,
Huh?
Huh?
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