Wise and Foolish Virgins

Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.

Well it looks as though works are involved, so this can't be speaking of eternal salvation. No works still means no works!

 

This just keeps getting better and better. So now not only are we supposed to believe they were brand new lamps that had never been burned before, but now we are to believe that either the bridegroom or the father was wealthy enough to send out a brand new lamp to every wedding guest.

More please, more. This is like comedy central :laugh: No my side please stop my side :laugh: Oh man...

 

If you see that these are two totally different events then you should be able to see that the text we are talking about says there will be saved people excluded from the wedding.

You should be able to see from the parable of the wedding feast there will be saved individuals excluded from the wedding feast.

Again why do you think Christ is going to wed Himself to an unfaithful, disobedient, non-overcoming Christian?

 

Yes...The parable is telling Christians you better be ready for the coming of Christ, because there are consequences if you are not!

 

To my knowledge no one here has disputed that. That's pretty clear. Either you are or you are not.

Now you are making stuff up, because I haven't seen anything about Christians have to pay this and that. Although that is what Revelation three gives us the picture of, but no one has brought that up yet, so I'm unsure what you are talking about.

Exactly. That's what I've been trying to say all along. When we stand at the judgment seat of Christ (which there will only be saved people there) we will hear either come or depart. That's exactly my point.

That may be so, but Paul tells us it is not by any work of righteousness on the part of man. So again no works means exactly what it says no works. No other works other than Jesus Christ are invovled. If anything else is involved then you are contradicting Scripture.

As has been shared with you many times Brother Bob, what you or I or Billy Joe, Sally Sue, the Pope, your childhood preacher, my grandmother, whoever - it doesn't matter what we believe. It only matters what the Bible says and the Bible says believe on Jesus' works not your own.

I don't know how that can be any more plain or simple!

 

Linda that's a great Scripture. But let me ask you this Linda. How does a dead man die again? Doesn't something have to be living to die?

If you believe that, and it seems as though you do, you have put a great number of contradictions on the Bible.

And could you also exaplain to me why Christ would want to wed Himself to an unfaithful, disobedient, non-overcoming Christian?

Would you want to marry someone that committed habitual adultery? That doesn't make a lot of sense does it? So why does Christ marrying someone like that make sense?

 

Actually I and HoG have shown you and you just ignore what we have shown you.

In fact I have shown exactly how absurd it is and how far you have to go to believe what you believe. You have to read into the text that when it says no oil it means no extra oil or no oil in their lamp. Not only can they not only have no oil in their lamp, but they can not have oil on the wick, which means they have to have a brand new lamp. And now someone comes along with a website that says the bridegroom or father sent out lamps for the guest, so now you have to accept that the father or the bridegroom one was weathly enough to buy brand new lamps for every guest.

Do you see how far you have to get away from the text to believe like you all do?

You're kidding right? The parable of the wedding feast is not Biblical? That story is in the Bible. How is that not Biblical support?

You give no Biblical support for this, so I guess I'm just supposed to take Marcia's word for it. Please show me Scripture where it says that Christ will marry every member of the church and the show me in the OT where you can find that same teaching, because if its in the NT it will be in the OT as well.

See you have an incorrect view of what faithful and obedient are. You are saying we are not perfect and I agree we are not perfect. But being faithful and obedient are not the same as perfect. There has only been one perfect.

Being obedient and faithful means when you mess up you do what is necessary to right the wrong.

Paul said according to the Law I am blameless. And it is also said of Zaccariah and Elizabeth. Do you think that meant that didn't sin? Of course not. They sinned, but when they did they did what was necessary under the law to right their wrong.

God tells us to not sin, but when we do sin if we will confess it He is faithful and just to forgive us.

No one is saying you have to be perfect, but you have to be faithful, obedient and overcoming.

For eternal purposes we are only righteous in Christ. At the Judgment seat it will be "your" works and "my" works that are judged. And unfortunately there will be Christians that have ALL their works burned, but they are still saved.

And that's the whole point of Matthew 25. The judgment seat of Christ is in view, and the only ones that stand at the JSOC are saved individuals. Some will be prepared and some will not. Some will have their works stand and some will not.

See how the Bible all flows together into one nice complete picture.

For eternal purposes that is correct!

I'm not separating the body into different parts, I'm just saying as Scripture says that not all the body will be the bride. We are all the body, but we are not all the bride. That's what Scripture says, so I believe it.

For eternal positional purposes that is absolutely correct.

That's just laughable.

 

No you have used Jesus' words with Brother Bob's context, spin and interpretation. A lot of people do that to make the Bible say what they want it to say.

Again Jesus wasn't preaching eternal salvation, He was preaching the kingdom. Until you distinguish between those two messages a clear understanding of Scripture is going to be impossible.

 

Apparantly not. I have just stated what the text says. I'm not the one that has had to go off and find some website that talks about giving away free laterns to all the wedding guests. The text says what the text says.

Okay, but it's pretty clear by what you say as to what your thoughts are on the matter.

Well I can agree and disagree with this portion of your statement.

That is the bottom line. And you have it right on the button. It has to do with the wedding feast, but then you make this errant statement which contradicts the truth you just proclaimed:

Because to even have a shot at participating in the wedding a person has to be saved. These five foolish virgins had the opportunity, but they blew it. But just by having the opportunity they were saved, because only saved are in view when talking about the wedding.

The unsaved are not even part of the picture.

 

That is my prayer and my hope, but that is not a certainty as you want to make it.

That a personal opinion you are placing on Scripture. The parables are speaking of the judgment seat of Christ. Look at the parable of the talents and pounds. Those are looking at a saved individuals works.

There are two faithful and one unfaithful in each of the parables. That means there are going to be some unfaithful Christians at the JSOC and they will hear those dreaded words. It's not going to be a pretty picture.

But what you are saying is everyone is going to be hunky dory at the JSOC so just go out and live life any ole way you please, becuase everyone gets to rule and reign and everyone gets to do what everyone else gets to do.

So if I get to do what every other Christians gets to do and it doesn't matter how I live my life, then why in the world and I obeying the rules. I can sow my wild oats and when that time comes I will still get to go to the kingdom have have my little patch of paradise.

Do you see the problem you view creates?