Wise and Foolish Virgins

I guess Revelation 19 is just lying then: It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

 

That just totally contradicts what you have said that Christ clothes you in His righteousness, becuase Paul say you put Christ on, not let Christ put Himself on you.

It is the subject doing the action, so it is you putting on Christ. That is not eternal salvation, because that is Christ putting Himself on you.

That's funny Ephesians 2:10 said we were saved unto good works. If no good works are required of us then why would God tell us that we were saved to do good works?

 

Of course they are His works, but we are given credit for doing them, so they are our works as well. God's grace is God doing for man what He requires of man and then giving man credit as if he did it himself.

Do you think Paul literally meant that he finished the race and that he finished the good fight. Of course not. He knew and understood that God accomplished this through him, but that God was going to credit it to his account as if he did it so he could say "I" finished the race and "I" fought the good fight.

If we don't have any works to do, then what in the world are we still doing here. Why doesn't God just take us home the moment we are saved.

Oh because we have work to be done. His work, but we must do it. And we must accomplish it through His grace so that He will credit it to our account.

Linda thanks for joining in our discussion. The word used in Revelation is plural. So if you wanted a literal rendering it would be the righteousnesses of saints. But that just doesn't sound good. It is to be understood as righteous acts of the saints.

The righteousness of Christ would a be a singular righteousness that was put on the Christian. But in Revelation the Christian is instructed to clothe himself/herself.

Then why does it say the righteous acts of the saints instead of the righteousness of Christ? Do you think the Holy Spirit made a mistake or just goofed up and put saints instead of Christ?

 

SFIC go back and look at the original langauge. The word is plural. You can't make a plural word a singluar word just because it doesn't fit your theology.

It righteousnesses of the saints. So each saint has more than one righteousness, which means it is not talking about the righteousness of Christ. Again the text says clothe yourself. You don't clothe your self in Christ's righteousness He clothes you! HUGE difference.

Again it is plain that despite what Scripture says you are going to hold on to your man-made tradition even though it CLEARLY goes against the teaching of Scripture.

 

That is absolutely a false statement. You just don't like what I've had to say. That doesn't make it false because Marcia doesn't like it.

EXACTLY!!!! That's been my whole point all along. They were barred from the wedding, not from being saved. The wedding and salvation are two different issues.

All of the saved are a part of the church, but all of the church is not a part of the bride, which this text plainly shows. And the parables below it. And the parable of the wedding feast, and on and on and on. And yet Marcia says I haven't proven my point by Scripture

 

I'm not sure, because I have not heard that before. Can you explain to me or point me to some reference material?

 

Exactly...which shows you are contradicting yourself, but you won't admit it. Eternal salvation is Christ clothing you with His righteousness, which means that us putting on Christ, must mean something else.

You again have failed to show how your stance of only needing Christ's righteousness meshes with the verses that say we are to clothe ourselves? Either Christ does the work on our behalf or we do it? Which is it, becuase it can't be both.

Once again what you are doing is trying to make two distinct messages speak of the same message.

See this is what I'm talking about. I am speaking of man clothing himself with righteous acts, which has NOTHING to do with eternal salvation. And you try to say that Christ's death means nothing.

Saints are not to clothe themselves in righteous acts for eternal salvation, but for the something else.

You've got to quit understanding everything under the scope of eternal salvation. Eternal salvation is a one-time event and after that it is never the focus of conversation again. We are to move on to the next phase. But you make everything in a Christians life tie into eternal salvation and that's just not the way the Bible lays it out.

 

It's hard for me to show you because I'm not Greek expert, so hopefully HoG can add to what I'm about to say if I have missed the mark.

But after just a bit of research it seems as though whether something is plural or singular is not shown in the actual word, but in the article in front of the word.

And so by looking at the Greek word only you will not see this, but when you look at the article "the" in the Greek it is actually plural.

So it seems as though it is actually plural.

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT...I would not endorse that false teaching at all.

ALL Christians despite denominations are a part of the church. And ALL faithful, obedient, overcoming Christians regardless of denominations will be a part of the bride of Christ.

However there are going to be unfaithful, disobedient and non-overcoming Christians from every denomination.

By the way that goes hand in hand with some of the Churches of Christ churches (now won't that be funny when Landmark Baptist and Church of Christ members actually meet each other - can't you just see that conversation - I thought we were the only ones going to be here, hey I thought we were the only ones going to be here - )