Wise and Foolish Virgins

thank you SFIC.

 

On the contrary, many scripture passages have been shown to you that make the statement correct. In response, you attempt to change the clear meaning of words, read into texts things that simply are not there, and dismiss out of hand any scripture or opinion that contradicts whatever "dispensation" you can come up with to support what your claim.

You are the very first person to demonstrate to me the faulty thinking of those who hold to dispensationalism and how it is a theology devoid of a sound scriptural basis. Thank you.
peace to youraise:

 

Only if you hold to pre-trib rapture.

peace to youraise:

 

ok. i dont mean to come down on you in any way.
but instead of having an argument that goes something like:

A: im right!
B: no your wrong.
A: your wrong.
B: no im right...

etc.

show what information you have obtained instead.

 

taken from http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=3041

 

dont mean to put it down...

but to me. reading that. sounded like a lot of speculations and opinions mixed in there...

imho.

in the KJV it says that the lamps were "gone out"

we've got to find out what that means. how could lamps "gone out" but not have oil in them?

 

if one lights a wick in a lamp that has no fuel, the wick will not stay lit. That was pointed out in an earlier post.

 

at home. i have, well. my mom has, an oil lamp. shaped like a candle. with the oil inside the candle.

so i can understand how that works with the oil and no oil situation. it would be just like burning a separated wick.

the flame would immediately start... but then go out right away for lack of moisture (oil).

sounds familliar... kinda close to the stony ground hearer.
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oh. and oil lamps smell nice. just had to throw that in there.

 

something to think about...

The foolish said their lamps 'are gone out,' they did not say they ran out of oil.

They were trying to burn the lamps without oil and found it would not work. Then they demanded of the wise virgins, 'Give us of your oil.' They did not ask for oil, but demanded it.

 

I just wanted to post this again so i didnt have to keep going to the first page or to some other page... also since we're so far up here i thought i'd post this again to have some scripture referencing.

 

Here's the word, from the TR: σβεννυνται

This is the word that's used in the man-made translation that you seem to put on a pedestal.

It's a present, passive, indicative, 3rd person, plural.

Do you comprehend that?

The translators of the 1611, which you seem to find infallible, but the translators expected others to build upon their work... Even they put a not in the text of "going out".

I have shown you the word in the Greek text from which the KJ version was translated.

Do you comprehend what a present tense verb is?

 

Even the KJV uses two separate prepositional phrases.

 

I believe John MacArthur was correct in his account of this parable. The foolish took no oil. This is why the wicks would not stay lit.

 

Why show it again? It's been shown repeatedly, but you reject it. Their lamps were going out. They could not be going out unless they were lit. They could not be lit without oil.

 

i want to post some scripture that has "foolishness" or "foolish" or even "fool" in it... to see if we could get a better perspective on this or not.
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Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

the following describes a foolish heart.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Job 5:2 For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.

Psalms 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
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so there's a few. how are these? could they relate to the foolish virgins?

 

Hope of Glory,

As I pointed out, the Geneva says 'are out.'

That would be present tense, would it not? The gone added still implies present tense... That the torches 'are out.'

And the wick does not necessarily have to have oil on it to light it, only to keep it burning. These foolish virgins tried to light a wick without using oil, for they never had the oil.