Wise and Foolish Virgins

[J. Jump]

No, but my wife and I both see the problem your view creates.

Then by all means share it with me.

The Psalmist wrote in Psalm 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. See, we cannot say we belong to Christ and want to hold on to sin.

See this is the problem when you go cherry picking verses out of the Bible.

Not hearing me and being saved are two totally different things.

If you do not confess you sins as God shows them to you you are going to disrupt your fellowship with Him, but that doesn't mean you are unsaved.

I can prove just about anything I want to when I cherry pick verse here or there.

We do not hold to a get saved, live in sin theology.

Neither do I so we're swimming in the same ocean!

That is just as unscriptural as saying we have to be clothed in both Christ's righteousness and our own or we will not be accepted.

Yeah if you are talking about eternal salvation, but that's where you mistake in misunderstanding what I'm talking about. Everything is not equated to eternal salvation. You are reading into what I'm saying as eternal salvation, and you are seeing contradiction, but that is becuase of your misunderstanding not my false teachings. What I have espoused lines up with Scripture to the crossing of the T and the dotting of the i.

It is just as unscriptural as saying not all saved will be present at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Well that's EXACTLY what Scripture says, so I'm not sure how Scripture can be unScriptural, you'll have to explain that one to me.

 

[J. Jump]

So you can be part of the Kingdom but not saved?

There you go making stuff up again Bob. Nowhere have I said an unsaved person gets to take part in the kingdom. Let's just deal with what is said instead of making up your own stuff and attributing it to me.

Also, I am a preacher.

I'm a licensed minister, so what does that have to do with anything?

The very idea that Saved Christians would hear the Lord say depart goes against ever Scripture in the Bible and against the very reason Jesus came and died.

Again there is Bob's personal opinion. And let's all join Bob's church and put our faith in Bob's opinions. Sorry. I'm not buying.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The very idea that Saved Christians would hear the Lord say depart goes against ever Scripture in the Bible and against the very reason Jesus came and died.

Again there is Bob's personal opinion. And let's all join Bob's church and put our faith in Bob's opinions. Sorry. I'm not buying.

Since Bob's quote above lines up with the Holy Word of God, I would gladly sit under the teaching that Christ will not cast His children aside, That Christ will not cast His children into outer darkness, That Christ will indeed take his entire body, the true Church into the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And I will rejoice on that wonderful day.

I am so glad that Christ is faithful to His promise that 'He that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out.' There is no way one of His children will be locked outside. There is no way one of His children will hear, 'I never knew you.'

 

[Brother Bob]

JJ Again Jesus wasn't preaching eternal salvation, He was preaching the kingdom.

There you go making stuff up again Bob. Nowhere have I said an unsaved person gets to take part in the kingdom. Let's just deal with what is said instead of making up your own stuff and attributing it to me.

What are you saying then?

I'm a licensed minister, so what does that have to do with anything?

Are you saying you are not ordained just licensed? It has a great deal to do with it if you are called of God to preach.

Again there is Bob's personal opinion. And let's all join Bob's church and put our faith in Bob's opinions. Sorry. I'm not buying.

Afraid if you spouted off your beliefs you would not be able to join our church. BTW it is God's church, not mine.
Also, I pride myself on being able to back up everything I say by Scriptures.

 

[J. Jump]

Since Bob's quote above lines up with the Holy Word of God, I would gladly sit under the teaching that Christ will not cast His children aside, That Christ will not cast His children into outer darkness, That Christ will indeed take his entire body, the true Church into the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And I will rejoice on that wonderful day.

I am so glad that Christ is faithful to His promise that 'He that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out.' There is no way one of His children will be locked outside. There is no way one of His children will hear, 'I never knew you.

Well if you want to continue to believe in a false teaching that is up to you and there is nothing I can do to force you to do otherwise. I can simply be obedient to the Truth and then it is out of my hands after that.

 

[J. Jump]

Are you saying you are not ordained just licensed? It has a great deal to do with it if you are called of God to preach.

No it doesn't. Nowhere in the Bible is one required to be ordained by man or a man-made insitution to preach.

Afraid if you spouted off your beliefs you would not be able to join our church.

Brother Bob I have read enough of your false teachings on this website I would never step foot into your church. I am to stay away from the wolves in sheep clothing, not going play paddy-cake with them.

Also, I pride myself on being able to back up everything I say by Scriptures.

And yet you have not been able to back up your idea on this subject at all. Wonder why that is?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The Truth can only be found in God's Word. And not by twisting it to say Christ will tell the saved that He never knew them.

 

[J. Jump]

The Truth can only be found in God's Word.

Amen!!

And not by twisting it to say Christ will tell the saved that He never knew them.

Well it was actually you and several others that just wrenched the Scripture to keep your tradition alive and well. Would you like me to repeat just how comical it was all the hoops you have to jump through to show that there was absolutely 100% no oil in their lamps.

I still can't figure out why you all want to hold on to this tradition. It doesn't make sense to me.

Oh well it's probably so you have an out or escape clause if you ever decide to sow your wild oats. Because in your view there are no consequences for a Christian to live like the world. Maybe that's why you like it so much. Who cares whether I'm obedient or not. Who cares if I'm faithful or not, because it doesn't matter.

 

[Brother Bob]

Brother Bob I have read enough of your false teachings on this website I would never step foot into your church. I am to stay away from the wolves in sheep clothing, not going play paddy-cake with them.

Thats one of them thar ad homeniums ain't it?

 

[J. Jump]

Thats one of them thar ad homeniums ain't it?

I don't know. I didn't go to seminary, so you'll have to explain those big words to us uneducated folks.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

my escape clause is in Jesus Christ and Him alone.

Paul wrote, if any man bring you any other gospel than that which we have preached, let Him be accursed.

I could never bring another Gospel than Christ by twisting His divine Word to say He will turn His own away.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

I cannot deny His Word. He will not turn His children away into outer darkness. I will not preach another gospel.

 

[LeBuick]

We do not hold to a get saved, live in sin theology..

Define live in sin? I thought the perfecting process was a continual process. Do you agree?

 

[J. Jump]

I cannot deny His Word.

Well you have certainly show that to not be the case already in this thread. And I'm sure if we talked about some other issues you would do it again.

He will not turn His children away into outer darkness.

So let me ask you a question. Just how did that unsaved person in the parable of the wedding feast get past an all-knowing God and end up in the wedding? Do you think the guards at the pearly gates fell asleep or what?

Show me any other Scripture where an unsaved person is said to be in the presence of God. An unsaved human is never seen in the presence of God in heaven that I'm aware of, but yet you want an unsaved man to some how slip past the all-knowing God and sneak somehow into the wedding.

Do you see how comical it gets to go along with what you say?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

I love how you cherry pick verses to make the Bible say what you want it to say. Would you like me to cherry pick a verse to say it's okay to kill someone? Would you like me to cherry pick a verse that says it's okay to have slaves? Would you like me to cherry pick a verse that says it's okay for an African-American and a Caucasian can not marry.

The list can go on and on and on. Cherry picking verses out of the Bible to make it say what you want it to say is not theology.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

LeBuick,

When I say 'get saved, live in sin theology', I mean an empty profession of faith. One that says I will believe in Christ to escape the penalty for my sin, but will not stop participating in that sin. If we regard sin in our heart, Christ will not hear a plea for salvation.

The only prayer the Lord hears from a lost person is a repentant prayer.

 

[J. Jump]

If we regard sin in our heart, Christ will not hear a plea for salvation.

The only prayer the Lord hears from a lost person is a repentant prayer.

Can you show me in Scripture where it says that I must pray to be saved? Acts 16:30-31 says nothing about prayer, but believing. Did Paul just slip up on the answer that he gave to the jailor? He really meant believe and pray this prayer after me?

 

[gekko]

i want to post some scripture that has "foolishness" or "foolish" or even "fool" in it... to see if we could get a better perspective on this or not.
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Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

the following describes a foolish heart.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Job 5:2 For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.

Psalms 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

i guess none of you understood why i posted this on page 10...
its quite simple really.

in these verses (and many many more) - a foolish person is ungodly.
ungodly.

so... foolish virgins... oh what does it mean!
the foolish virgins knew the bridegroom. but the bridegroom did not know them.

im not going to get into the whitehouse by walking up there and saying that i know George Bush.

i will, however, get into the whitehouse if i walk up there and George Bush himself comes out and says that he knows me.

if Christ states that He does not know somebody - has Christ ever indwelled that person?

it is not possible.

 

[gekko]

The only prayer the Lord hears from a lost person is a repentant prayer.

saying that a prayer will get someone saved is very superstitious and unbiblical. it is a cliche not found in history or in scripture and was not in any baptist history i believe until 50 years ago... when the church started to water-down everything...

 

[J. Jump]

if Christ states that He does not know somebody - has Christ ever indwelled that person?

Gekko you are slipping into the misconception that the others are falling into and that is eternal salvation is not even the context or the point of the parable.

This was a parable to a saved group of people warning them there are consequences for people who are not prepared for Christ's coming.

The only people that can even be prepared are saved individuals.

Again the text doesn't support saved/unsaved, the original language doesn't support it nor do the numbers support it.

Numbers mean something in Scripture, and I notice that nobody from the unsaved/saved camp dared even to touch that one. Why? Because they can't, becuase Scripture doesn't support the idea that the foolish were unsaved and the wise were saved. They were both saved.

Five were foolish in regard to preparation (right living) and five were wise and ready, because they were living right.

To see it any other way is to see it outside of Scriptural evidence.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

i guess none of you understood why i posted this on page 10...
its quite simple really.

in these verses (and many many more) - a foolish person is ungodly.
ungodly.

so... foolish virgins... oh what does it mean!
the foolish virgins knew the bridegroom. but the bridegroom did not know them.

im not going to get into the whitehouse by walking up there and saying that i know George Bush.

i will, however, get into the whitehouse if i walk up there and George Bush himself comes out and says that he knows me.

if Christ states that He does not know somebody - has Christ ever indwelled that person?

it is not possible.

Amen, gekko

 

[Brother Bob]

Neh 1:6Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned.