Would Paul Washer Be Welcome to Speak at Your Local Church

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What would you do if you found out that Reformed theology was error and not what the Bible is really saying?

Now, as long as you read books written by fellow Calvinists, that is not going to happen. But put those books down and read the Bible alone and you might get a real shock. There are volumes of scripture that easily refute Reformed theology.

Quit letting other people tell you what to believe. Read the Bible and ask God to reveal his word to you. If you honestly ask that and seek to know the truth with all your heart, you will be alright.

Great post, Win! :thumbsup:

While I my "personal theology" embraces much of what Reformed theology teaches, I find what passes for it around these parts to be stiff, unyielding, arrogant, and elitist. What passes for "reformed theology" around here, in fact, ain't even close. It's an amalgam of hyper-Calvinist drivel. They don't even seem to realize that Calvin's writings encompass so much more than the five points that those wind up being an afterthought in his overall doctrinal views. What they, on this board, ultimately arrive at ends up being legalistic and, amazingly, strongly Charismatic without the "signs and wonders" nonsense. How do we explain that?

 

[JonC]

You're correct minus the honest examination part from a 'Biblical standpoint'. But true, many reject truth today and therefore reject reformed theology. What about you, what do you reject about it?

I don't reject Reformed theology, as far as I know. But I do realize that there is much to Reformed Theology that is based on our understand and interpretation. My disagreement is only that I believe some may honestly examine Reformed theology and still reject it. I have not committed to Covenant Theology, as I do see some issues with it - but this is probably due to the literal view I hold of Scripture. Perhaps this year I will be afforded the time to examine the position and better be able to offer a better reply.

 

[Rippon]

The last few posts have nothing to do with the OP which was to thrash and trash Paul Washer.

 

[Winman]

Great post, Win! :thumbsup:

While I my "personal theology" embraces much of what Reformed theology teaches, I find what passes for it around these parts to be stiff, unyielding, arrogant, and elitist. What passes for "reformed theology" around here, in fact, ain't even close. It's an amalgam of hyper-Calvinist drivel. They don't even seem to realize that Calvin's writings encompass so much more than the five points that those wind up being an afterthought in his overall doctrinal views. What they, on this board, ultimately arrive at ends up being legalistic and, amazingly, strongly Charismatic without the "signs and wonders" nonsense. How do we explain that?

I find very little truth in Reformed theology. Reformed theology is based on what Augustine believed, and Augustine had almost no understanding of scripture whatsoever. He was brilliant and a great writer, but he simply did not understand scripture at all.

If you examine Reformed theology carefully you will find it almost always teaches the exact opposite of scripture. That seems incredible, but it is completely true.

 

[Rippon]

I find very little truth in Reformed theology. Reformed theology is based on what Augustine believed, and Augustine had almost no understanding of scripture whatsoever. He was brilliant and a great writer, but he simply did not understand scripture at all.

If you examine Reformed theology carefully you will find it almost always teaches the exact opposite of scripture. That seems incredible, but it is completely true.

Start your revisionist history on a new thread. It has nothing to do with Paul Washer.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't reject Reformed theology, as far as I know. But I do realize that there is much to Reformed Theology that is based on our understand and interpretation.

OK. Give some objective examples that it is only subjectively based as you suggest. Give proof that it isn't objective.

My disagreement is only that I believe some may honestly examine Reformed theology and still reject it.

What is exactly your disagreement here, that others reject it? Your argument is quite vague and unfounded. Elaborate.

I have not committed to Covenant Theology, as I do see some issues with it - but this is probably due to the literal view I hold of Scripture. Perhaps this year I will be afforded the time to examine the position and better be able to offer a better reply.

No one has brought up covenant theology, so this has nothing to do with the context here. Elaborate on your literal view.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The last few posts have nothing to do with the OP which was to thrash and trash Paul Washer.

I like Paul Washer, as well as his pastor, Jeff Noblit.

 

[Winman]

Start your revisionist history on a new thread. It has nothing to do with Paul Washer.

OK, I don't like Paul Washer. I have only watched a few videos of him, but from what I have seen he is the type of evangelist who comes into a church and destroys the faith of weak believers. I have experience with this from many years ago. I have known evangelists that would make Paul Washer look like a school-boy. I have witnessed evangelists that will convince everybody in the church they are lost and going to hell.

I remember a pastor I had years ago, what a loving man he was. He told me that many evangelists cause tremendous damage and leave a mess that takes the pastor years to clean up.

You can keep evangelists like this, they cause far more harm than good.

 

[SolaSaint]

If the OP has such a disdain for PW, I would wonder who he would accept in his pulpit? I think PW is a great preacher and what he has to say sometimes is offensive to those who may have a said faith instead of true faith.

 

[Rippon]

I like Paul Washer, as well as his pastor, Jeff Noblit.

I know. And I agree. But as many threads have the habit of drifting --this one is no exception. But since the thrust of the OP was so unedifying and sinful it is wonderful that you and others have steered the ship on a more correct course.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't reject Reformed theology, as far as I know.

Oh, you know. And you know that you do.

Put an end to your pretense, you're transparent, found out, and you assault the Calvinists and Reformed on here (and likely elsewhere) and play as if you don't.

You're not hard to figure out and several on here have called you on it. :wavey:

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I know. And I agree. But as many threads have the habit of drifting --this one is no exception. But since the thrust of the OP was so unedifying and sinful it is wonderful that you and others have steered the ship on a more correct course.

I still haven't heard any real criticism from Washer's detractors. I've heard plenty of "He's a jerk" and "I don't like his methods" and "he's a heretic", but none of them have actually shown any Biblical evidence that he's said anything wrong.

 

[saturneptune]

I know. And I agree. But as many threads have the habit of drifting --this one is no exception. But since the thrust of the OP was so unedifying and sinful it is wonderful that you and others have steered the ship on a more correct course.

You were asked many times to stay out of my threads. What does it take for you to shut up? The only thing unedifying and sinful are your posts. Go where you belong, serving the communist Chinese government.

 

[Rippon]

You were asked many times to stay out of my threads. What does it take for you to shut up? The only thing unedifying and sinful are your posts. Go where you belong, serving the communist Chinese government.

Your small-mindedness is perfectly illustrated in this thread of yours. You have serious anger issues. You just slap around any pejoratives that suit your sinful fancies. You are not a good example as a "leader" in your congregation.May shame rest on you until you show signs of true repentance.

 

[saturneptune]

Your small-mindedness is perfectly illustrated in this thread of yours. You have serious anger issues. You just slap around any pejoratives that suit your sinful fancies. You are not a good example as a "leader" in your congregation.May shame rest on you until you show signs of true repentance.

I will repeat my question. What does it take for you to shut up? I have not bothered you for several months. You injected yourself into this thread, knowing full well what the result would be. You can take your repentance and put it where the sun does not shine.

 

[Winman]

I will repeat my question. What does it take for you to shut up? I have not bothered you for several months. You injected yourself into this thread, knowing full well what the result would be. You can take your repentance and put it where the sun does not shine.

Were you guys married to each other at one time?

Can't you guys PM each other?

 

[quantumfaith]

Were you guys married to each other at one time?

Can't you guys PM each other?

Now that is funny. Isn't it just sweet how we all seem to have at least one nemesis on this board.

 

[saturneptune]

Were you guys married to each other at one time?

Can't you guys PM each other?

No one asked for your opinion.

 

[Winman]

Now that is funny. Isn't it just sweet how we all seem to have at least one nemesis on this board.

I have two and a half. Care to guess who the half is?

 

[quantumfaith]

OK. Give some objective examples that it is only subjectively based as you suggest. Give proof that it isn't objective.



What is exactly your disagreement here, that others reject it? Your argument is quite vague and unfounded. Elaborate.



No one has brought up covenant theology, so this has nothing to do with the context here. Elaborate on your literal view.

Just what exactly (subjective or objective) in the world is this hooey?

Someone gives an honest appraisal, genuine and attacking NNE, and you go off with this.