Young Earth Creationism.

[Yeshua1]

YEC was the standard model for all orthodox Christianity up until the 1800s. There is no real Biblical basis for old Earth, animal precursors to humans, millions of yrs of death. None of it. It all depends on authority. Is it the Bible or pagan creation myths involving mystery ape/human common ancestors. Did the common ancestor have a tail, have canine teeth, walk on all fours, go into heat like chimps and unlike humans? None of it can be fact checked against what actually happened.

It was supplemented in many groups by evolutionary theory of Theistic Evolution when Darwinism took off, and that false view on origins became the national rage!

 

[dimmesdale]

Evens those who see Man as being evolved off a common ape ancestor?
Who want to turn Genesis into one big myth/metaphor?

Here is your science evidence for the common ancestor which must have been a chimp. On the chimp side of the equation it rockets right to the top without any precursors. No proto-chimps in sight while on the human side we have all these pre human intermediaries. A whole slew of them so where are all the chimp transition forms? 98% chimp and humans are upright apes and most of the unbelievers draw no distinction between Ken Ham or ID advocates like Stephen Meyer. They are all creationists and generally despised. Well the common ancestor is still a mystery and no where to be found. if humans are evidence for the common ancestor then by the same standards are horses evidence for winged Pegasus?

 

[Yeshua1]

Here is your science evidence for the common ancestor which must have been a chimp. On the chimp side of the equation it rockets right to the top without any precursors. No proto-chimps in sight while on the human side we have all these pre human intermediaries. A whole slew of them so where are all the chimp transition forms? 98% chimp and humans are upright apes and most of the unbelievers draw no distinction between Ken Ham or ID advocates like Stephen Meyer. They are all creationists and generally despised. Well the common ancestor is still a mystery and no where to be found. if humans are evidence for the common ancestor then by the same standards are horses evidence for winged Pegasus?

The 98 % agreement in Dna just confirms that God used a basic template to make apes and humans in the sense of arms, legs, bodies, hearts etc, but the supreme difference is that we cannot have a common ancestor, as Mankind ALONE created to be in very image of God!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The 98 % agreement in Dna just confirms that God used a basic template to make apes and humans in the sense of arms, legs, bodies, hearts etc, but the supreme difference is that we cannot have a common ancestor, as Mankind ALONE created to be in very image of God!

How true. Regardless of any similarities in DNA, morphology, or physiology, humans are obviously profoundly different from all the animals. There is simply no real comparison, and no other creature on earth which can debate this fact, or agree with it, much less enjoy it as we can.

 

[Yeshua1]

How true. Regardless of any similarities in DNA, morphology, or physiology, humans are obviously profoundly different from all the animals. There is simply no real comparison, and no other creature on earth which can debate this fact, or agree with it, much less enjoy it as we can.

Jesus to reconcile humans back to God, not their dogs and cats!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Jesus to reconcile humans back to God, not their dogs and cats!

Yes, animal death has nothing to do with the Gospel. The only death concerned is human; the only sin concerned is human. It should not be used as an earth age issue in that regard.

 

[James Evermore]

What if the speed of the light was not a constant? Einstein for all his genius was wrong about the universe being static. What if he was wrong about the speed of light and constancy?

The Bible says the sun was not made until the 4th day. There was a light source however from the beginning - day one.

I taught science for years. I love science. I used to claim what you say in your last paragraph to appease my scientific observations and provable notions. I don't do that anymore. I still believe that the solar system works in a systematic and constant manner. I also believe Genesis 1 that says the sun was made of on the 4th day.

I don't believe that the two contradict each other. Why?

• God made the universe in the order [sequence] and fashion that he chose. It doesn't have to make sense to you and I. We believe it on faith.
• He put into all things in the universe a sense of order [consist rules] that maintain what he created. This should strengthen our faith.

Try looking at "The Genesis Puzzle" on youtube. It might explain why God chose to do things the way He did in Genesis 1.

Here's the link:

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, animal death has nothing to do with the Gospel. The only death concerned is human; the only sin concerned is human. It should not be used as an earth age issue in that regard.

There would have been though neither death nor meat eaters before sin happened of Adam....

 

[JohnDBaptiste]

I mentioned something about this in the Big Bang thread. Time is not static either. We live in a perception of perpetual now and we cannot advance forward beyond the natural progression to a future that does not exist yet nor backwards to a past that no longer exists. Time dilates according to gravity and motion. It's so minute we cannot observe it, but two people in the same room experience tie at different rates.

Barry Setterfield and Trever Norman wrote a paper about the decay of C. Beyond the margins of error (due to the limitations of technologies at the time) records of the velocity of C. were over a period of 300 years... all of which showed C. was slowing down (again, beyond the margin of error).

Taking all these factors into account and the bottom line is we don't have a clue (not like we like to believe we do). THere is some factor or some margin or something we don't even know about that always seems to change what we once believed to be true. I just takes God's word for it since he created it all... for without an intelligent being who transcends the laws of physics... nothing could be here any way. The 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics prove this.

 

[robycop3]

As for evolution - the existence of amoebas, the simplest form of animal life, and of bacteria, the simplest form of plant life, disproves it. If these evolved into something "better", then why do both still exist?

And there are several species of pupfish that, along with a small snail species, that live in spring waters so hot that nothing else, plant or animal, can live in them.(They're hot enough to burn a person.) They subsist on organic debris and insects that are blown by wind into these springs. Now, how did those critters evolve to live where nothing else can live, & how did they reach those hot springs? (These critters can't live in "room temperature" water.)

 

[37818]

There would have been though neither death nor meat eaters before sin happened of Adam....

Living cells died when plant life is eaten.

 

[HankD]

Living cells died when plant life is eaten.

You don't know the organic composition of vegetation/tree life food before the curse of death.

 

[37818]

You don't know the organic composition of vegetation/tree life food before the curse of death.

Death existed (Genesis 2:17) before the the fall and the curse it brought and it making death the enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26).

 

[HankD]

Death existed (Genesis 2:17) before the the fall and the curse it brought and it making death the enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26).

This says nothing about the pre-curse function of eating other fruit products.
It could have been an energy exchange devoid of "death". We don't know.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Death was initiated the day Adam/Eve ate the fruit.

The Hebrew says literally "and dying you shall die" indicating that there was more than one aspect to death and that it begins as a process ending in a completed state of being.

It impacted the entire universe and we call it "entropy".

Romans 8
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[37818]

This says nothing about the pre-curse function of eating other fruit products.
It could have been an energy exchange devoid of "death". We don't know.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
<snip>

Death became the enemy when death also became caused by sin. Death existed before the fall, Genesis 2:17, else what God warned was meaningless. It was not meaningless, Genesis 3. Adam and Eve understood death.

 

[HankD]

Death became the enemy when death also became caused by sin. Death existed before the fall, Genesis 2:17, else what God warned was meaningless. It was not meaningless, Genesis 3. Adam and Eve understood death.

You don't understand then the ability of God to explain the unexplainable.

Prove to me eternal life.

Have you seen it? You are dying as we speak. Are you resurrected?

God explained death to Adam and Eve.

Jesus explained eternal life to us.

 

[37818]

Prove to me eternal life.

The identity of God being the uncaused existence. No beginning and without end. Genuine Christians are the ones who can know with certainty. Typically, John 7:17; 1 John 5:9-13; John 17:3; Titus 1:2; Romans 8:16; . . .

Either one knows because the person actually knows God through Christ or really does not know. 2 Corinthians 13:5; 2 Peter 1:4-10.

 

[HankD]

The identity of God being the uncaused existence. No beginning and without end. Genuine Christians are the ones who can know with certainty. Typically, John 7:17; 1 John 5:9-13; John 17:3; Titus 1:2; Romans 8:16; . . .

Either one knows because the person actually knows God through Christ or really does not know. 2 Corinthians 13:5; 2 Peter 1:4-10.

Adam - Here is what death will be for you if you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil : you shall return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For I made you from dirt and to dirt you shall return, so don't eat of that tree and death won't happen.

 

[37818]

. . . so don't eat of that tree and death won't happen.

It does not say "death won't happen." You are here adding to the word of God. The only way death would not happen is if they eat of the tree of life, which was not forbidden (Genesis 3:22). ". . .now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: . . ."

 

[HankD]

It does not say "death won't happen." You are here adding to the word of God. The only way death would not happen is if they eat of the tree of life, which was not forbidden (Genesis 3:22). ". . .now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: . . ."

No, its not adding to the word its called deductive logic. Use it.