37818
Well-Known Member
Did you deduce in you deduction the tree of life as the prerequsite to not dying?
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Young Earth Creationism.
- Thread starter 37818
- Start date
- Status
37818 I believe you need to start to think "outside the box".
Many have said that there is no singular place in scripture that teaches the Trinity (for instance).
It must be logically distilled by an array of scripture. It took about 3 centuries of debate, sometimes even violent.
The Tree of Life is an expression which speaks of Jesus Christ because there is no other source or fountain of life for humanity. He said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life".
I don't think we can determine just how that manifestation demonstrated itself in the Garden.
The scripture calls it a tree so for now I accept that.
To think outside the box, the Hebrew seems to indicate an entity which emanated energy sources into branches.
We just don't know.
Like I said, for nor I accept that it looked like a tree, had fruit which could be harvested and consumed.
Later in the kingdom, if it matters then, we will know, we shall be like Him, we shall see Him as He is.
37818
Well-Known Member
Philosophically God must be a Trinity. The Christian New Testament also reveals this. And it is also revealed in the Old Testament.
One major problem with many, if not most YEC, is the denial that death was part of God's good creation. The word of God is explicit that death existed prior to the fall, Genesis 2:17.
Do you understand the difference between iinfinite and finite? The difference between eternal and temporal?
No it doesn't. It is a simple statement of fact.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
We have have no idea concerning Adam's expansive intellectual capacity and ability to think conceptually.
Also, to return to the earth was all Adam needed to know about death "dust thou art to dust thou shalt return".
37818
Well-Known Member
Your agument does not change the fact that death existed prior to God warning Adam (Genesis 2:17).
Genesis 2:17 says no such thing. It is a promise of death ONLY.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
And in fact Romans 5:12 proves that death entered this world through Adam.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
YECs believe that Adam's sin made death a reality for the first time. Genesis 2:17 merely shows a potential. The world would not have been good if there was death before Adam's sin. Now the world is a world of sin and death. The wages of sin is death, as you know. Heaven will be good.
37818
Well-Known Member
Nonsense statement. God does not promise what did not exist in Genesis 2:17.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Now this is the true nonsense statement. He promised that a sacrifice would be made in the future (Christ) but it did not exist yet. Christ existed, but the sacrifice did not. Christ also did not exist in HUMAN flesh yet. Yet God promised a human deliverer.
37818
Well-Known Member
It is nonsense. And a kind of unbelief. Adam and Eve understood what death was, Genesis 3:2. YEC is irrational and unBiblical on this issue. The tree of life was the means of not dying, Genesis 3:22.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
How do you get that from the text? Gen 2:17 sure doesn't say that death existed. Exegete that please.
I'm through with the ping-pong debate. Let the readers decide.
37818
Well-Known Member
Yes, readers will decide. The word of God has already settled the matter despite readers opinions (Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:2; Genesis 3:22; Romans 5:12).
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
None of those verses support your position.
Very few believed that until Darwinism became rampant!I imagine that you have believed that for millions and millions of years.
Come on. That is nonsense. How would Adam & Eve even understood the warning then if they had not seen death already?
Considering the reproductive rate of insects, the Garden of Eden would have been overran.
Aristotle believed the Earth was eternal. James Hutton blew away the belief in a 6000 year old Earth a century before Darwin.
Here is your science evidence for the common ancestor which must have been a chimp. On the chimp side of the equation it rockets right to the top without any precursors. No proto-chimps in sight while on the human side we have all these pre human intermediaries. A whole slew of them so where are all the chimp transition forms? 98% chimp and humans are upright apes and most of the unbelievers draw no distinction between Ken Ham or ID advocates like Stephen Meyer. They are all creationists and generally despised. Well the common ancestor is still a mystery and no where to be found. if humans are evidence for the common ancestor then by the same standards are horses evidence for winged Pegasus?
Lol. Thank chart is only to illustrate the common ancestor of chimps and man and to follow the lineage of man. It isn't to follow the lineage of chimpanzees.
I am not sure if you are just being ignorant or purposefully deceitful.
Well, we don't understand God's ability to explain the unknowable to Adam and Eve.
He is capable of that you know.
Before they actually died -
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Bugs - we don't know if there as a specific number of bugs made which wouldn't die.
And/or we don't know the dynamics of reproduction before the sin of Adam.
whether reproduction stopped after the commandment was filled to "fill the earth".
Plus scripture -
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
- Status