Young Earth Creationism.

[church mouse guy]

The entire Earth age discussion to me is awkward. I have no problem with a 6000 year Earth. Where my problem lies is in the way we as YEC handle it. So, God created a mature Universe. Mature seems by best scientific evidence to be about 2 to 5 billion years. God created a universe that was 5 Billion years mature and we get bent out of shape when science ages it to the mature state to which God made it.

That's not so. YECs say that the earth was created all grown up. It had to be so because when Adam was created as a grown-up man, he needed food and so the plants were created with fruit for Adam and Eve, not to mention the animals that needed food. So the chicken came first, not the egg, so to speak. God did this in a series of six 24-hour days.

On the issue of scientific evidence, there is none to support evolution and its corollary of deep time. These ideas are not from the Jews but the Greeks and I have heard that the Greeks got them from the Hindus. If the Hindus are the origin of evolution and its corollary of deep time, then we are clearly dealing with another religion. If it is totally the Greeks, then we are dealing with heathen thinking. If Genesis is not true history, then the whole Bible is not true. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

 

[HankD]

You have no scientific evidence to back up your assertion whatsoever. You are saying that the laws of the universe are uniform, hence you are talking uniformitarianism. You have no way of knowing if there was or was not a constant rate of decay in radiation. What you are saying is that we observe this in the modern world and so therefore this observation is true for all time. But the pre-flood world was destroyed totally by a catastrophic flood wherein the tectonic plates of the earth were totally torn loose and the fountains of the deep opened up and released the waters of the oceans.

Indeed. Most scientific thought today (and even when I took modern physics 50 plus years ago) admits to a "creation" phase of origins whose laws are totally unknown to us today with little or no chance to be found out.

Personally as a Young Earth Christian I believe it to be so with the biblical account of creation.

My own view is that everything started with light (Let there be light).
All matter is enhancement of light vibrations.

The "matter" created from light was/were pools (Heb. - mayim) of subatomic particles (Heb. - ToHu Va Bohu)

Ya crazy.

 

[church mouse guy]

Indeed. Most scientific thought today (and even when I took modern physics 50 plus years ago) admits to a "creation" phase of origins whose laws are totally unknown to us today with little or no chance to be found out.

Personally as a Young Earth Christian I believe it to be so with the biblical account of creation.

My own view is that everything started with light (Let there be light).
All matter is enhancement of light vibrations.

Ya crazy.

Evolutionists and Old Earthers are a product of the failed American educational system that receives research funding from the federal government. The universities control the money and only give it to people who support their worn-out theory of evolution and its corollary of deep time.

When something contradicts their view, they ignore it. For example, the man who discovered the Great Missoula Flood in the 1920s was ostracized by his fellow geologists who totally ignored his observations and mocked them. Only when airplane photos were taken of the area after WW II was he proved correct that an Ice Age lake about one and a half times as large as Lake Erie break free in Missoula and race about 100 mph to the Pacific Ocean, causing that landscape that we see today.

Another example is the soft tissue of the dinosaurs, which are thought to have been extinct in deep time, although YEC believe that they were on the ark. When a lady found soft tissue, and now there are many such finds, the Old Earthers in the universities merely changed the rules on soft tissue, now saying that it can last for millions and millions of years, which is not scientific.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The entire Earth age discussion to me is awkward. I have no problem with a 6000 year Earth. Where my problem lies is in the way we as YEC handle it. So, God created a mature Universe. Mature seems by best scientific evidence to be about 2 to 5 billion years. God created a universe that was 5 Billion years mature and we get bent out of shape when science ages it to the mature state to which God made it.

That's it in a nutshell. Even if Christians could agree on this, arguing appearance of age with unbelievers is counterproductive, and that is an understatement. Those holding to appearance of age appear to be avoiding reality. Not good.

Further, "creation" and "evolution" are not opposite terms. Evolution presupposes creation. The real question is about origins. Where did everything come from in the first place? For this, everyone must turn to philosophy, metaphysics, theology, or else ignore the reality. Notice that this turns the tables. Now you're talkin'.

 

[Reynolds]

That's not so. YECs say that the earth was created all grown up. It had to be so because when Adam was created as a grown-up man, he needed food and so the plants were created with fruit for Adam and Eve, not to mention the animals that needed food. So the chicken came first, not the egg, so to speak. God did this in a series of six 24-hour days.

On the issue of scientific evidence, there is none to support evolution and its corollary of deep time. These ideas are not from the Jews but the Greeks and I have heard that the Greeks got them from the Hindus. If the Hindus are the origin of evolution and its corollary of deep time, then we are clearly dealing with another religion. If it is totally the Greeks, then we are dealing with heathen thinking. If Genesis is not true history, then the whole Bible is not true. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Typical. The discussion is about apparent earth age and you jump to evolution.

 

[InTheLight]

That's not so. YECs say that the earth was created all grown up. It had to be so because when Adam was created as a grown-up man, he needed food and so the plants were created with fruit for Adam and Eve,

Not directly supported by scripture. In fact this idea of mature plants is contradicted by scripture. God planted a garden; trees grew out of the ground.


8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 2:8-9


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[InTheLight]

You have no scientific evidence to back up your assertion whatsoever. You are saying that the laws of the universe are uniform, hence you are talking uniformitarianism. You have no way of knowing if there was or was not a constant rate of decay in radiation. What you are saying is that we observe this in the modern world and so therefore this observation is true for all time. But the pre-flood world was destroyed totally by a catastrophic flood wherein the tectonic plates of the earth were totally torn loose and the fountains of the deep opened up and released the waters of the oceans.

And how does this affect the decay rate? Show us a mechanism whereby a deluge of water and earthquakes can affect radioactive decay. They're unrelated.

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[Yeshua1]

Lol. Thank chart is only to illustrate the common ancestor of chimps and man and to follow the lineage of man. It isn't to follow the lineage of chimpanzees.

I am not sure if you are just being ignorant or purposefully deceitful.

Man is a direct and special creation of God.

 

[Yeshua1]

Aristotle believed the Earth was eternal. James Hutton blew away the belief in a 6000 year old Earth a century before Darwin.

Few of the Christians have held to that until Darwinism and its fake science!

 

[church mouse guy]

And how does this affect the decay rate? Show us a mechanism whereby a deluge of water and earthquakes can affect radioactive decay. They're unrelated.

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How do you know that they are unrelated? The upheaval was massive as the earth was scrapped down to the granite core by tsunami after tsunami and volcanic eruption after volcanic eruption. No one really knows what happened in radiation but we do know that radiation was completely unable to date the new rocks and material from the volcanic expulsion of Mt. St. Helens here in the USA, not to mention other recent volcanic eruptions since the radiation dating method was introduced.

 

[church mouse guy]

Not directly supported by scripture. In fact this idea of mature plants is contradicted by scripture. God planted a garden; trees grew out of the ground.


8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 2:8-9


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So what did Adam and Eve eat?

 

[37818]

The entire Earth age discussion to me is awkward. I have no problem with a 6000 year Earth. Where my problem lies is in the way we as YEC handle it. So, God created a mature Universe. Mature seems by best scientific evidence to be about 2 to 5 billion years. God created a universe that was 5 Billion years mature and we get bent out of shape when science ages it to the mature state to which God made it.

Basised on an expanding universe from an origin, the age of the universe is calculated to be about 13.7 billion years.
Now there is a spruce tree in western Sweden believed to be 9,550 years old. If that is correct that pushes the date of the flood before that. Now Noah is tenth from Adam. So the 6 days of Genesis 1 would be something over 10,000 years ago.

 

[church mouse guy]

Typical. The discussion is about apparent earth age and you jump to evolution.

If Genesis is not true, then why would the rest of the Bible be true?

We know that Adam was at the beginning of creation on the first day and Jesus said:

Matthew 19:4 (KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 10:6 (KJV) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

 

[church mouse guy]

Basised on an expanding universe from an origin, the age of the universe is calculated to be about 13.7 billion years.
Now there is a spruce tree in western Sweden believed to be 9,550 years old. If that is correct that pushes the date of the flood before that. Now Noah is tenth from Adam. So the 6 days of Genesis 1 would be something over 10,000 years ago.

Ironically, the leading secular alternative to the Bible (the big bang) has a light-travel time problem of its own. Known as the “horizon problem,” the big bang is unable to get light from one side of the universe to the other within its own billions-of-years timeframe.... To alleviate this problem, big bang supporters must arbitrarily add another hypothesis like “inflation” (which has problems of its own).

Distant Starlight

 

[37818]

Ironically, the leading secular alternative to the Bible (the big bang) has a light-travel time problem of its own. Known as the “horizon problem,” the big bang is unable to get light from one side of the universe to the other within its own billions-of-years timeframe.... To alleviate this problem, big bang supporters must arbitrarily add another hypothesis like “inflation” (which has problems of its own).

Distant Starlight

". . . use Einstein’s physics to get light here in a short period of time, at least from the earth’s perspective. . . ." So the universe can actually be much older and the 6 days only some thousands of years ago too.

 

[InTheLight]

So what did Adam and Eve eat?

I don't know. Maybe there was more than one day between when the Lord planted the garden (Gen 2:8-9) and when he put Adam in the garden (ver. 15)

You need to deal with the fact that scripture says God planted a garden and that the trees and plants grew out of the ground and that your assertion "plants were created with fruit for Adam and Eve", is probably erroneous.

 

[Yeshua1]

Basised on an expanding universe from an origin, the age of the universe is calculated to be about 13.7 billion years.
Now there is a spruce tree in western Sweden believed to be 9,550 years old. If that is correct that pushes the date of the flood before that. Now Noah is tenth from Adam. So the 6 days of Genesis 1 would be something over 10,000 years ago.

There is no way to understand Genesis in a literal fashion to get those extreme ages in the Creation account! Either the scriptures are inspired and historically accurate of the history recorded down, or else Darwin was inspired!

 

[church mouse guy]

I don't know. Maybe there was more than one day between when the Lord planted the garden (Gen 2:8-9) and when he put Adam in the garden (ver. 15)

You need to deal with the fact that scripture says God planted a garden and that the trees and plants grew out of the ground and that your assertion "plants were created with fruit for Adam and Eve", is probably erroneous.

People didn't eat meat until after the Genesis Flood so Adam and Eve could only eat plants so the plants had to be ready for the salad from Jump Street.


Genesis 1:29-30 (KJV) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

 

[church mouse guy]

". . . use Einstein’s physics to get light here in a short period of time, at least from the earth’s perspective. . . ." So the universe can actually be much older and the 6 days only some thousands of years ago too.

Next question: may I have my cake and eat it, too? How can two contradictory ideas both be true?

 

[Yeshua1]

Next question: may I have my cake and eat it, too? How can two contradictory ideas both be true?

How do we know if light has been constant velocity even?