No one is righteous = No one can believe???

Show us all where you clearly answered these questions with anything other than the following phrase which does NOT answer them: "God did not purpose to effectually cause all men to believe and be saved."

That does not even ADDRESS the questions, Skan. It is simply a deflection.

 

Skandelon, at this point it would be wise to ignore Luke....for your sanity. My greying process began to miraculously reverse when I did :laugh: it's like the "whos on first" routine

 

A men to that
MB

 

Arminians DO believe that God desires to save all people, its just that they believe that God lives the ultimate/final decision to the Will of man!

While Cals Moderate like myself would tend to say that God also desires all to be saved, but knows that they are unable to do that being depraived and inable to place faith in Christ to meet Gods requirement so he directly intervenes on behalf of His elect to make sure they do exercise faith and get saved...

 

Not saying that God has failed by your Theology, just that we tend to see it as lowering God down while raising up and exaulting man to a degree...

Just as Arminians have accused cals of holding to God being Soverign "too highly" think Arms tend to hold to "free will" 'too highly"

 

Do understand that you would hold to God deciding to voluntary "limiting" Himself to allow Humans to be able to freely and fully have free will restored to them by prevelient Grace, and that He would allow Himself to be "bound" in a sense to whatever decision Humans would make concerning Jesus Christ.

just seems that God would be more "hands on" in this area, to make it "definent" that at least SOME wpuld be getting saved, instead of leaving it open to having a chance NONE would believe in Jesus!

And again, isn't it your faith in jesus that "triggers" God electing you into the Bride, Body of Christ?

 

Of course you'll draw heat. More false teaching from you.

None doeth good.

Jesus said there is only one good. God.

When He said none doeth good, he meant you, too, that believe you merited God to choose you by your works. Another false teaching of yours that "draws heat."

 

Then how do you explain that God said a man's "righteousness which he hath done" shall not be remembered in Eze 3:20 if a man cannot do any righteous acts?

And I have never said a man is saved by works, I said a man is JUDGED by his works, a distinction you cannot seem to grasp.

My issue is with Total Inability, not salvation by grace.

 

Ever consider who first said that and what kind of man he was?.
Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Wrong He said:
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
We aren't talking about who is good but who can do good.

Of course but who pays any attention to a fool?

How many times must he tell you he doesn't believe that before it sinks in?
. Calvinist can't see past there own accusations. You just don't understand his doctrine. Maybe you have something preventing you from understanding the truth .:laugh: Must be the accusing attitude.
MB

 

Having listened to much teaching and debates on Calvinism, I have never once heard any teacher apply this Scripture in this manner.

Grace has always been the way of Salvation. Where has any Calvinist said that inability to obey the Law (which only One could do perfectly) proves one also unable to be righteous through faith?

I have never heard anyone teach this. Ever.

Sounds like a drummed up theory. I would like some proof of others who have taugh this, and what type of debates you have been in (online, collegiate, denominational) and the proponents of what you claim.

 

Uh. You just proved exactly what I said. Which is (Mt. 19): The exact same thing this passage says. Try reading what I said before you try to refute? Not only does God do good, He alone IS good.

Look at the NT version of there are none that doeth good, it's to the world. It's to you too.

I've never seen someone more wrong than you theologically.

No need to engage you any further. Obeying Scripture on when dealing with your type.

As to your last statement, friend? He does teach what I've said. He was elected by works, thus it is conditional, because he teaches God judged him by his works, then elected him.

Try knowing what you're talking about. And pay attention to Scripture I quoted, that you use against me blindly, you know, the ones which say exactly what I said.

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No, your issue is that you think you were pretty good, and earned election by your works.

It's hard for you to accept that you are a sinner, totally unrighteous.

To you? You were just a little bit off, needed a little help. You helped God, and He saw your works, and then elected you.

Same false teaching. Different thread.

Yep JUDGED by his works. I grasp it fully. You tie it to election, saying it is NOT unconditional (election), but conditional, i.e. based on what you do, you get elected. It's what you teach and believe. That's salvation by works. That's what you have and embrace.

But scripture shows you a ...[edited by moderator] Titus 3:5, Eph. 2:8-9.

 

That's not a line of reasoning at all. It's utter foolishness. Do you have some kind of source for this so I can see it?

 

Unless it's your self when you look in the mirror. The NT doesn't say what you claim it did. It's talking about God being good not what men do.

Well that's probably because you are unable to debate like a gentileman.

Seems the other way around to me you're the Calvinist. You have two choices here. As a Calvinist you can claim God elected you randomly or He chose you partiucularity. If the first is it then you are a fatalist and if the second is it. You're claiming God chose you because He preferred you over others. In which case this heresey is stating you are calling God's word a liar. Which is it?
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

People aren't chosen particularity with out reason. Any reason would be considered respect of the works they do all ready.

Funny you should mention it but I was about to say the same to you.
MB

 

Hello MB. (In the tone of Seinfelds "hello newman") :laugh:

More drivel from you. "partiucularity?" Uh. LOL! Even more drivel.

I never claimed God chose me because He preferred me. YOU said that. Yet another lie from you. Are you and Winnie related? You both often lie.

God chose me unconditionally, as he did Abram, David, and all others who will enjoy eternity with Him. I know you don't like God being Sovereign like that. You'd rather He be limited to your own design of Him. So you can be in control of what He ought do.

Fatalist? Nope. More drivel. More lies.

You're losing. Again. So, you resort to lies and twisting Scriptures and stere-typing, accusations, name-calling implications.

You're a theological shipwreck. And full of lies. Try actually saying what I actually have said. :love2:


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