Should baptists be part of the free masonry?

It appears you are heavily biased by your experiences and relationships in the Masons, rather than by Scriptural Truth. This seems to be a very dangerous position on which to base your conclusions.

You should believe that God gave you spiritual life and love for God, which is a greater gift than your physical life. God may have used an ungodly organization like the Masons to accomplish his work in your physical life, just like God uses greedy hospitals, bent on profits, to accomplish Gods work, but the thanksgiving should only go to God, not the greedy hospital, and not to a man-centered humanistic organization.

Please pray and meditate on this:
2 Corinthians 10:5

5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ


Why would any Christian even remotely want to involve themselves in organizations that raise themselves up against Christ?

• Secrets
• Oaths
• Calling positions "Worshipful Master" !!!
• Reports of demonic activity at higher levels that must be kept secret

If you can't see how this is blasphemous to God, you have serious error in your thinking and need to re-visit your conclusions.

The Lord is our ONLY Master and jealous for our worship.

Deuteronomy 4:24
English Standard Version (ESV)
24For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

 

You admit that the copies I find online may leave off words and attempt to make it read differently.

This can be easily remedied. Simply post the oath in its fullness for us to read and consider. For one that claims there are no secrets in Masonry, you sure seem to be holding the oath secret.

I'm ready and willing to approach the oath with an open mind and fairness. I simply need you to post it and verify its accuracy so that I can be sure I am considering the full and proper oath.

 

Brother Matt,
I said you can find full copies online, what you are accustomed to reading presented by those in opposition are fraudulent in their biased attempt to sway your passions such that they leave off or highlight portions of the oath so as to make it to appear to read something that it does not.

As far as any concerned of my Spiritual well-being, I was born of God long before I knew of the Masons or masonic teachings, I was Blessed of God to have had my life preserved through aid of masonic works.

I was also born of God long before I came to repentance and faith and submitted to Baptist baptism.

Christ does not give the order of our Eternal Life to be based upon any corruptible man made written creed of faith and order, but upon the word 'except ye be born again ye cannot see nor enter'

Paul further tells us that if any man possesses not the Spirit of Christ, then he is none of his.

You brethren continually react to what you only partly know of.

Brother Matt, go back and read what I really wrote to you and if you are interested in truth quit trying to play the 'I oppose Masonry' game by misrepresenting what is stated.

I said you can find the oath online given fully, you can find the oath at Barnes and Noble, given fully, you can also find it given online given by those who's only interest in truth is that they may glory in your flesh in presenting to you 1/2 truths, omissions, misrepresentations, falsifications, yet lay all these charges to the foot of Masons and Masonry.

bro. Dallas

 

You have no interest in real truth only in glorification in the flesh. So regardless of what I would 'verify' to you as truth you would not receive it as truth. This is why we are said to be born of the incorruptible word which is the LOGOS, the Eternal Son of God and not to be born of the corruptible word which is in the hands of man wrestled to suit their own fanciful desire and glory in their own flesh, who maketh you to differ?

Do you trust in God through Christ? Or do you trust in your trust of your creed of confession? Paul says righteousness is first in the heart, if you do not understand this you would not understand Masonry even if I lay out and verified its entire teaching.

bro. Dallas

 

CF1
The LORD is my only Master, I am free from bondage to any and all men. If you will read the oath you posted according to truth you will see that there.

The title worshipful master is not elevating any man over, above nor against Christ. It is a title of recognition of a man who has been counted worthy to serve the Lodge in the capacity as moderator.

But you wouldn't know this because your sight is blinded by the flesh and you cannot see afar off from anything more than your own thoughts. If you are under the impression that the word of God is bound by your particular creed or faith and order, then you ought to at least have the decency to present a document of Baptist origin rather than of RCC wherein the first spirit of greed and jealousy rose up by the flesh of man to purpose to defy, defame, and destroy the work and works of Masons and Masonry.

You guys just prove what I have already stated, you have no interest in true history in which factual knowledge may be established. How could I confirm anything to be true concerning Masonry, in one instance you have one who's word is not bound by any and in another you have one who's word is bound by his conscience, you choose to not believe my word though I have spoken to you in truth and instead you choose to believe the word of one who knowing the teachings of Masonry still was only willing to give you half the truth in order to arouse your passion against it.

What in this oath is in opposition to either Christ or God? Nothing except by your own imaginations of evil.

bro. Dallas

 

It's evident to me that you are trying to hide something. Someone with nothing to hide doesn't talk so much about nothing. I'm done here, I think you've proven the point that Masonry is not something any honest person (Christian or not) should be involved in.

 

I fear for you as that kind of belief is vey dangerous.

 

Luke 18:9-17 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Consider the true meaning of these passages. If you stop short as to whether the Pharisee failed of eternal justification then you will have the stone of stumbling upon which you Brethren are tripping.

As I said, you have no need to fear for me. I possessed the witness of God by His Spirit long before I possessed faith, repentance and obedience to the Him in the Gospel, it is by that witness that teaches that ALL Life, natural and Spiritual is first present, then experienced. My child did not become my child because he/she believed themselves to be my child, but by birth. The same is true of the child of God. We are His by birth and not by any measure of belief in that are we made his child. Believing gives to us the power to become (to realize) this fact of our position in Christ as heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.

If ye can't understand such simple earthly things in analogy to the heavenly eternal spiritual truth how are ye teachers in Israel? By fear and bondage to the spirit of fear of death under the Law? Know ye not that ye are made free from the law of sin and death by the Life of Christ Jesus?

bro. Dallas
:tonofbricks::1_grouphug:

 

Only the Word of God and prayer has power. We are weak and needy. But He and His Word are strong.

Luke 11:35
Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness.

Luke 22:53
When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness."

John 3:19
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Romans 13:12
The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

2 Corinthians 10:4
For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.

Luke 9:5
And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them."


Here is a book I recommend on Spiritual Warfare of anyone finds themself in need of it.

Believer's Guide to Spiritual Warfare

 

Why is a Mason allowed to be a Baptist forum moderator, I'd like to know.

 

Welcome to baptistboard.

 

:thumbsup:

As a former member of Order of DeMolay, I speak from experience about the fact of the secretism. And believe me, these fellows aren't nearly as good as they want you to believe they are. Why? Because no one is! To me it was and is a flesh parade of "look how moral and how good I am." That's one thing they express often: their goodness.

I'll stick to the scriptural route, good works to be done through the church, in the name of Christ, not under the masonic symbolism or name. They can claim all they want they do it for Him and is His name, but I beg to differ, and this is simply not true. As glfredrick said this is akin to Babel, in a new package.

The local churches need to be more involved in these types of good works.

 

Never was I insinuating that he wasn't saved! I was just asking because I've seen people reprimanded for posting here who weren't Baptist. That was all.

 

Plan on sticking around

I signed onto this board in 2006. I intend to stay. Just because I do not post a lot, does not mean that I do not read a lot of the items here.

I do not see a connection between Freemasonry and Catholicism. The Roman Catholic church leadership is vehemently opposed to Freemasonry. (one more reason for people to join, IMHO). The current pope, Benedict XVI (nee Joseph Ratzinger) is a former Hitler-youth, and he is probably the most anti-Masonic pope the RCC has had in the past two hundred years.

 

The penalty is SYMBOLIC only, and is never invoked. The only punishments ever invoked are: Reprimand, Suspension, or expulsion.

 

Christians have no business being part of any organization that imposes such a penalty symbolically or otherwise.

 

clarification

Feel free to ask any question you like. I will tell you the truth.

 

if this is what you feel

==If you feel this way, then Freemasonry is definetly not for you. Why do you feel this? Is there some Bible verse, or Christian teaching that teaches this?

The penalties in Freemasonry, are taken from Old Medieval penalties for treason. They are NEVER invoked, and are symbolic only. The meaning and purpose of the penalties, is to instill among the oath-taker, the symbolic pain he would feel, should he ever break the oath.

I say again: If the taking of such oaths are at variance with your religious or personal beliefs, then obviously, Masonry is not for you.