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I do not follow your reasoning. Your claims (lying, murdering, death oaths) are meaningless, and moot. Therefore your question has no validity.
Is there anything in Christian teaching, that specifically enjoins Christians from being Freemasons? I have not seen it. If you have some specific Scripture, or other Christian teaching that forbids Freemasonry, I would like to see it.
His name is Charles E. Martin, and he has been here for a while, since "06" according to his join date.
My name is Charles E. Martin. I have been on this board for many years.
As of now he has only posted 8 posts and he gives his name in one of the very old ones.
I know this guy from CARM forums (another Christian site like this one)and he is a die hard Mason.
I am indeed a Mason. I am a 3rd degree Master Mason, and I have completed the 32d degree of the Scottish Rite. I am a Shriner (inactive).
You can find him under the cult section at CARM.
This is not correct. You may NOT find me under the "cult" section. Freemasonry is listed under the "cult" section on CARM. Just because Freemasonry is there, does not mean that I am listed there!
One thing I have noticed about him, He is dedicated and the more you speak out against the lodge the more he speaks out for it.
Absolutely. The only response to incorrect speech, is correct speech. There are many misconceptions and falsehoods floating around about Freemasonry.
As for me personally, I once was a mason, but since left. I will say this for it, If a person is not going to become a Christian, then masonry is a good alternative. I mean if one is not going to come to Christ then we would want our fellow citizens to live a good moral life style before they die and go to hell. That's not saying just because one is a mason they are lost, as even many "so called Christians" will split hell wide open, but who knows, they might actually read the Bible they take an oath on and get saved.
What got me out was the oaths, and Charles may remember me when I say this. If one takes a death oath to kill someone for revealing secretes (which they do), that would make him a murderer and if he takes the oath with no real intentions of going through with carrying the oath out, that makes him a liar.
This is some twisted logic. No Mason ever takes an oath, symbolic or otherwise to "kill someone". This never happens. The Masonic oath states that the Mason will suffer the symbolic penalty. I have been a Mason for 29 years, and I have never taken an oath to "kill" anyone. Your point is totally flawed.
You are pushing a "non sequitir" , like saying "A dog has four legs, and a table has four legs, therefore dog is a table".
Of which neither inherit the kingdom of God.
My question to any mason is, Where does the Bible teach the believer to murder, lie, or take a death oath?
The answer to this is never. I have studied the Bible for many decades, and read it through. No "believer" is ever enjoined to do any of these. Furthermore, none of these activities have any application with respect to Freemasonry.
Freemasonry teaches Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth. No mason is taught to "murder" anyone. No Mason is taught to lie, No Mason is taught to take a "death oath". The penalties in Freemasonry, are symbolic only, and never invoked. Your statement is therefore, moot.
So should any Christian be involved with the Masons or other lodges? My answer to me is, NO!
I do not follow your reasoning. Your claims (lying, murdering, death oaths) are meaningless, and moot. Therefore your question has no validity.
Is there anything in Christian teaching, that specifically enjoins Christians from being Freemasons? I have not seen it. If you have some specific Scripture, or other Christian teaching that forbids Freemasonry, I would like to see it.