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Which is not an excuse. Get to the Bible. Don't beat the dead horse. Man can always come up with an excuse.

In chapter 3, Paul referenced Moses. But he is not talking about that in chapter 4. He is looking at his own situation. Satan had blinded their eyes to the gospel. The freedom is only in the Spirit. No unsaved person has this freedom because he doesn't have the Spirit. He is not just talking about Israelites.

 

I've answered it many times.

not really. man doesn't have an excuse. Romans 1:20. Man can always come up with an excuse of why he wasn't saved. He only heard the gospel once. He was raised in an atheist home. Man could say "why didn't' you just save me since the blood of Christ was sufficient. Anyway you look at it, man can always come up with an excuse. I'm more concerned with teaching the Bible than keeping man from having excuses.

I haven't ignored anything. don't pretend that I'm ignoring. your grasping now. If you want to discuss a subject on the Bible, let me know what and the passage. Trying to keep man from having excuses is not profitable because man can always come up with an excuse.

 

btw, a good passage would be the last part of I Cor 2 and the beginning of chapter 3.

 

And while you're at it jbh, tell Scandal why a fly doesn't desire not to land on dog poop. What is preventing the fly from not loving poop?

 

Well, his name is Skandelon. No need for name calling.

Every single decision we ever make is based on our desires. We always choose what we desire the most within the circumstances that are available to us.

You are offered two steaks for dinner. One is a fresh steak that is cooked exactly like you want it. The other is old and spoiled. Which one will you choose? Of course you will choose the fresh one. You don't choose the spoiled one because you have no desire to choose that one. That's the same with God. To the unsaved person, Spiritual things are like a old spoiled steak. He has no desire for it, thus he doesn't choose it.

 

That is so true. I don't know exactly how God does it. Everyone wants to say God does it this way, regeneration before faith, faith before regeneration, this before that...bla bla bla....but the truth (as I see it) is that nobody can say for sure HOW God does it, but He does something to a person's heart before they believe and receive Christ. Don't we all have a testimony to this regarding our own salvation? People talked to me about Jesus and salvation for years and it went in one ear and out the other. Then one day, I believed. I can't explain it other than God did it. The scripture are clear that people are chosen for salvation. They are also clear that we are required to have faith. How do I reconcile that? I don't. I can't. But it's the truth because God says so.

 

Spurgeon said something just like that. :thumbsup:

 

Really? Well, I guess I'm in good company then.

 

...not a real excuse that is truthful, which is what Skan is getting across. It's not like the reprobate will stand before God and say "the dog ate my faith"...in your model they will have a legitimate, REAL excuse that is truthful. You are focusing on the excuse aspect and not the truthfulness behind it.

 

You just described John 12:32.

 

How so?


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God is the one drawing. Yes. He will draw both gentiles and Jews.

Another note to what Amy said is the passage in Ezekiel.

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
(Ezekiel 36:25-26 ESV)

 

Seriously stop it. You really are hard headed aren't you. I proved you wrong. Everyone here saw it. there is no excuse in my system. This is my last post to you on this subject unless you want to discuss the Bible and not trying to defend unbelievers for not believing by saying they have an excuse. If you say it's just in my system, then you have a straw man. Stick to the Bible. Your argument is extremely week and inconsistent. I showed you this but you pretend it's still a good argument. This is the last I'll say to you about it.

 

Actually, you didn't prove to me he is wrong. If anything your refusal to address the truth behind the excuse and not merely the excuse says more than anything.

Example: my daughter does not speak to me and hates me for the rest of her life for missing her wedding and sues me for the cost of the entire wedding. The thing is, she told her fiance to tie me up before the wedding so I would miss it, and it was all recorded.

Same scenario concerning my daughter hating me for missing her wedding, this time I was passed out drunk and missed it due to my own negligence.

when standing before a jury, which has a legitimate excuse...and take a wild guess which one is comparable to the doctrines of "grace"

 

God doesn't keep people from believing like the fiance kept your from going to the wedding in your example.

As I told skan, man has no excuse for not repenting. God doesn't "tie people up" and keep them from repenting. No one will be in hell and say that they wanted to believe. No one.


The issue is that Skan wants to use stories and week arguments. I have repeatedly said to take a look at the Bible at the depravity of man. If what I believe about the depravity of man is wrong, he should be able to use the Bible and not weak arguments to prove me wrong. That's why I told Skan that I would not continue the discussion over excuses as it is weak and untrue. We can look at any number of the passages that teach of man's depravity.

My doctrine comes from the Bible. I believe the Bible teaches the total depravity of man. Until someone shows me the Bible not teaching it, I will believe it 100%.

 

Sin is what separates us from God. Are you accusing God of making you sin (tying you up)?

 

If He commanded me to be there while doing that? Absolutely. Thats not justice by any stretch of the imagination, even with the wicked.

Sin is what separates us, but when He commands you to repent without granting the ability to do so its no different.

 

How do you feel about God blinding the Jews until the times of the Gentiles is full? Does that make you say God is unfair? Is it just? Does He have the right to blind people who did nothing but be born a Jew? Does that bother you?