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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but when I was under conviction, the power of the Holy Spirit (did not know it was the Holy Spirit at that time) was real, convicting me of my sin, telling me to repent, and to put my trust in Christ as the sacrifice for my sins, and in His resurrection for my righteousness, of which I had none. These things were preached to me and I had heard some of them before. But this time was different. I could not get away from that force in my life drawing me to the Saviour, nor that same force warning me of judgment to come should I reject Christ. But that did not save me, I still had to repent and turn to Christ, but were it not for God drawing me to the Saviour, and convincing of what He had done for me, I would not have believed. When I did believe unto salvation, the burden of sin rolled away and words can never explain it, nor did it need to be repeated. God instilled in my soul that He saved me, and that nothing could change that fact. After 30 years, I still do not know a lot of things, but that one thought and power sustains me when doubts, or operations, or any trial or tribulation comes into my life. I remember that last operation I had, the voice of God in my soul came thru so loud and clear and I knew there in the operating room that God was with me and no matter what, He always would be. That is something money can't buy, nor words express how grateful I am.

 

Who did I speak for?

 

Yet according to your system we cannot unless determined. The irony.

 

"Tom.... That commentary on the previous thread had one purpose & it was not to solicit an educated & scholarly debate."

 

I spoke for myself .... that is my opinion, yesterday, a week ago & today. These are noted inflammatory remarks meant to start arguments...not debate. Now my opinion may be more, may be less, valid than the opinions of others.....but they are mine & I respectably stand by them.

I will tell you this.... I have never once taken upon myself to create a thread designed to denegrate anyone....no matter their religious persuasion. I will ask a question about something purely because I would like to know how others answer & so I can learn....but I dont attempt to start an argument by it....otherwise I would retract it if its getting out of hand.

For the record, I do not have a problem with soliciting dissent, even conflict because I believe two camps can come to an understanding, even if that understanding is to agree to disagree. But what happened on this thread was nothing more than a ball room brawl. Some like Old Regular kept there heads & dealt with it in a gentlemanly fashion, while others ..... well I will not go further, further discussion accomplishes little I'm afraid.

 

I share a very similar testimony brother but it was the Grace of God that convicted you (and me) till we cried out, Jesus save me or else I perish. That was our response.

I would add that I had a great deal of shame for all my past sins....especially the very grave sin of Unbelief. But thank God he chose to save a sinner at a later stage of life (my life) & I am with you....I am exceedingly grateful.:love2:

 

I believe you are both an Elder of a Church & my Elder in life. I was taught by my parents & grandparents at a very young age to respect the Elders in our lives. If you personally comported yourself without experience & dignity (sometimes like I do frankly) I would have less respect for you....but happily you do not. What I see is a dignified intelligent person, a man of God & a person with a wealth of knowledge....allot that I personally covet.

To run you out of this forum would be a tragedy & I sincerely hope you do not go anywhere.....we could all learn from you dear brother.

I do sincerely value the time you have been here & I wish you every blessing our dear lord can provide.

 

Youz guyz believing your Archie Bunker style of scriptural interpretations to support your Determinist’ view and then claiming your specially enlightened wisdom and victory in the debate because of it would be comical, if your methods weren’t so …………………..”exceedingly sad”. :thumbs:

 

What's really sad is that Calvinist argue what isn't in scripture.
MB

 

I do not find a thing in the writings of Paul concerning what one must do to be saved. Not one thing. I believe all of Paul's writings concern what was done to bring salvation, the gift of eternal life, of which God will give to whom he will and in the time frame of his will.

to-THE for grace YE-ARE ones-HAVING-been-SAVED THRU THE BELIEF (*FAITH) AND this NOT OUT OF-YOU(p) OF-God THE oblation (*gift)

* I added to scripture4all.org of Eph. 2:8

That verse has zilch to do with what one might covet. Has zilch to do with anything you might produce from your heart or mind to believe.

That verse concerns God the Father and his Son Jesus the Christ born of the virgin Mary and what was determined from the foundation of the world. The lamb slain and what was promised before time begin, grace of life, by which salvation could be given to the man yet to be created through the election of God his creator.

That is your faith and your hope. It does not matter what you think or believe. The above is your faith and hope.

1 Peter 1:19-21 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Faith was the lamb dying for you.
Hope was the grace of God his Father in raising the dead soul Jesus, his Son from the dead with an incorruptible body.

Life that withers not away, read the balance of the chapter.

 

This is correct.

Skandelon's statemetn quoted in the OP is wrong, and I think I proved it sufficiently in the thread in which the post was originally made.

But it is NOT out of line. It is NOT "exceedingly sad".

It is NOT beyond the boundaries of reasonable debate.

I am thankful for the post by Skandelon here. It is well thought out and it is HELPFUL, absolutely HELPFUL to any Calvinist, like myself, who wants to know the objections to his beliefs and wants to sharpen his understanding of his own beliefs.

I commend, not condemn, Skandelon for that post.

I don't WANT to surround myself with a bunch of "yes men" who constantly affirm everything I say.

I WANT to be challenged.

We all should.

 

I do not know Skandelon's intentions, but I do agree with the last two statements above.

 

Simply telling a person they are wrong is not an answer, you should explain why they are wrong.

You may not agree with my views, but I explain in detail why I think Cal/Reformed theology is wrong. I do not simply say it is wrong and not explain why.

If God has ordained that one group of Christians is Calvinist, and that another group of Christians is not Calvinist, then God would indeed be the author of confusion, because there would always be the question of which doctrine is correct. That is confusion. God would also be divided against himself, which Jesus told us God does not do.

God did not cause persons to be demon possessed, and then Jesus cast them out, that would be God's kingdom divided against itself.

Likewise, if God ordains one group of Christians to be Cal/Reformed, and ordains other Christians to be non-Cal/Arminians, then God is divided against himself.

 

I am so glad to see that a debate, that traces its roots to the 4th Century, has been settled on the Baptist Board. Too bad many of you showed up some 1600 years late. You could have spared us this whole ordeal.