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Yes it would, but I copied and pasted EXACTLY what he said. Maybe he regrets that one statement, but he made it, and I posted it accurately.

The OP is about how Calvinists feel about God passing by their friends and loved ones;

Archangel answered this question, and here is what he said verbatim;

OK, he says he would be sad, very, very sad if his daughters reject Christ.

But then he says they deserve hell, and he would not wrestle with this, but his issue for eternity would be why God saved him. Oh, how humble.

Here is the problem; In Calvinism, God is the one who decides where you will spend eternity. Your sin is not the reason you go to hell, because in Calvinism, if God elects you, you will go to heaven despite the fact that you are a sinner. And in Calvinism, if God chooses to pass you by, there is nothing you can do to change that.

Sin is just the means God uses to send you to hell in Calvinism, just as the gospel is the means God uses to send you to heaven in Calvinism.

In Calvinism, if your family members go to hell, it is because that is what pleased God. He did not choose this because of their sin, election is UNCONDITIONAL.

See, you Calvinists suddenly forget that. You suddenly forget that election is unconditional. It has NOTHING to do with being a sinner, it is because God is pleased to send your loved ones to hell and torture them forever, because it pleases him and glorifies him. It is not because they sinned.

And you guys are all "Honky Dory" with that. YOU are saved, who cares what happens to anybody else? You guys will spend all your time wondering why God picked you, how humble!

 

Yes. I don't believe like a Calvinist, but who better to represent what they think than one?

 

The only problem with PM's is that they deny others the benefits that come from a good discussion.

 

I agree. Sadly, that's the only way to actually have a discussion without instant derailment. For example, I started a thread to ask questions of Cals, but it deteriorated so quick that I hardly posted in the thread.

 

If you ask the Calvinists only and winman shows up to disrupt. ...ask him to refrain from your thread.

 

Again, I do not have the power to close a thread. It is the moderators who close threads, and more times than not the reason they close a thread is because some Calvinist complains he has been insulted.

In the meantime, Calvinists like you CONSTANTLY imply others are lost. No one complains, because we are secure in our salvation, and also because we are not babies.

It would be nice to have debate without fighting, but that is a dream world. It would be nice to have a world without starvation and war, but that is a dream world too. That will not happen until Jesus returns.

So, be a big boy and live with the heat a little.

 

SW asked for Calvinists to answer.....so you but in to disrupt the thread as you do everytime. Your posts do not generate any heat as they are not even close to the teaching of scripture. Most do not read them anymore except to use them to show how error comes to be.

 

Anybody can participate in a public debate. PM Steaver if you do not want me to see your posts and respond to them. If you say something I think is error, I am allowed to respond, that is what the debate forum is for.

The problem is, many Calvinists (not you) cannot stand disagreement with their views, and some cannot handle it when they are clearly coming up on the short end in a debate. So they scream foul and that they have been insulted and contact a moderator who quickly closes the thread.

I have been called liar, heretic, Pelagian, blasphemer, reprobate and all sorts of names by Calvinists hundreds of times since I came to BB, and I have never gone to a moderator and requested a thread be closed, not once.

So, don't tell me moderators close threads whenever they see an insult, they sure don't close threads when folks insult me, and I am glad they don't. I can handle it, and I enjoy the debate.

So, blame me all you want, it is mostly Calvinists who cannot stand to be refuted and complain to moderators that results in the vast majority of threads being closed. FACT.

But many folks are not interested in facts around here.

 

Sapper, I am not telling you to put certain posters on ignore, but that is the only way I am able to maintain a certain degree of profitable discussion. I have no problem with sharp disagreement, but there is a difference between disagreement and hit jobs. In the end you have to do what is best for you if you intend to remain active on this board.

 

The only thing this shows is that there are a few who claim to for the most part on use the bible and Spirit to come to your novel views....

Steaver
Winman
Dconn
Beamup

No thanks...The rest of us will use the Bible, The Holy Spirit, Creeds Confessions, Catechisms, Commentaries, sermons at Church, sermonaudio, and proven teachers given to the church who have stood the test of time.

Not at all Steaver...error is also ordained as opposed to truth ;

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you

I would not rest carnally secure because God has predestined His Covenant people, the Sheep.

 

Than your Theology is wrong.
It baffles me that on the one hand...God's perfect Glorification depends upon the damned being justly sent to hell, and yet ever an anon the Calvinist cries that God is wrong, or that it is "SAD" that a deserving sinner goes to hell.

It is NOT "Sad" in your theology, it is a GLORIOUS reality to be CELEBRATED!!!

That God's justice and holiness is manifest by the punishment of the sinner whom God has chosen is NOTHING but goodness.

For a Calvinist to claim that a manifestation of God's glory as "Sad" is wicked and wrong.

Icon, you are DIRECTLY opposing God's decree, and who art thou oh, man? to call God's ultimate purpose "sad"???

That Theology fails on every level.
Calvinists regularly demand that God's decrees be other than they are and claim that God's holy and perfect, just decrees are "sad".:tear:

Boo...frikkin...hoo :tear:

Why is God's perfect decree sad to you Icon?
Will not the judge of all the Earth do right?
So, why do you feel sadness for what is perfect in God's eyes?
Why do you insult God's Sovereign choice to condemn men?
Why do you question God's decree??

 

Inspector Javert

once again you fail to understand basic theology to attempt to advance your agenda.

A cal expresses sadness in that humanly speaking a person has failed to worship God in a timely fashion...
The fact that I quoted from rev19...and psalm 119 in how the saints rejoice in God's righteous judgement taking place is different from feeling sad that a person loved their sin so much they would perish than believe in God's grace...get it???

I had also posted about Jesus weeping over Jerusalem...nevertheless he will have the angelic beings cast them into hell from the white throne judgement.

Try again:laugh:

very lame post:laugh:

I would say that you are out of theological bullets so you are reduced to spitballs and this pathetic display of foul posting..away with you:laugh:

 

Inspector Javert

I have noticed that also...

with you
with winman
and with van

You are still smarting from the greek lesson you were given a week or two ago aren't you??:laugh::wavey:

 

Icon...
Just answer the question...

Why are you "sad" about what you believe to be God's PERFECT, HOLY, JUST, RIGHT, Will?????

Why are you sad about that?

You just hurl out the thought that I don't "understand basic Theology"...
but, why then, don't you make a more intelligent statement than...

"But you're a dummy-head, and you're wrong"...

Do you have anything else?

You are "Saddened" by God's perfect will.
You have no right to be.
Why do you resist God's will Icon?

Why does it make you "sad"?

If your Theology has any merit, you can answer that question....
Answer it...

Why does God's perfect will make you "sad"?

 

You don't know Greek Icon...
You wouldn't know if someone were "schooled" in Greek or not.....
neither Hebrew, nor Latin, nor Spanish, nor Flemish, nor Dutch...
You are a monoglot...
You don't know, in any argument about foreign languages who is right or wrong...you have no reference point...none.

I've NEVER argued with anyone about "Greek"...I know absolutely NOTHING about the language...
I don't even know the alphabet.....and I never will.
I think learning Greek is pointless actually....

I do know something about Hebrew, and I assure you, I don't make definitive statements about it that I can't back up.

But, you don't know who is either right nor wrong in a debate involving original languages, I am not entirely confident that you understand "Pig-latin".
You couldn't possibly know who was right or wrong in such a debate...
I know NOTHING of Greek...so I don't debate it, and I never have.

 

Inspector Javert

I did answer you

I did answer you

no..you summed it up...I keep it very simple I like your basic recap:laugh:

I did not say that...you are trying to make as if I did say that. Your posts have gone south in these past few months....It seems to be the absence of truth in your posts is creating a mind fog that you can now see anything through this fog....
:wavey:

 

Icon....back up your Theology...

This question is SOOO simple.

Why does God's perfect, just, holy will make you "sad"?

Did YOU say it made you "Sad"?

Why does it make you "Sad"?

Why does God's perfectly holy just decree make you "Sad"?
Just answer the question.

 

I answered steaver in post 36....Nothing God does makes me sad:wavey: