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Why we must be born again !
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savedbymercy
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Note the Calvinist use of logical fallacies. They claim I did not address, and that I dodged. Yet the opposite is the case.
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as infants in Christ." (1 Corinthians 3:1) And how did Paul speak? I gave you milk to drink. Thus men of flesh and infants in Christ both can receive and be nourished by spiritual milk. It is a lock.
If you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven.
Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy.
See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel.
And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming. Unregenerate people have enough spiritual ability that the Law (OT scripture) can escort or lead them to Christ.
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as infants in Christ." (1 Corinthians 3:1) And how did Paul speak? I gave you milk to drink. Thus men of flesh and infants in Christ both can receive and be nourished by spiritual milk. It is a lock.
If you are keeping score, Matthew 23:13 demonstrates unregenerate men were seeking God effectively, because they were actually entering heaven.
Matthew 13:1-23 teaches us Jesus taught in parables to prevent some unregenerate people from understanding the mysteries of heaven at that time. Then Jesus tells us of an unregenerate man, spiritually dead, who immediately receives the gospel with joy.
See a pattern, unregenerate people have some (limited) spiritual ability.
Next we could turn to Romans 11, where God hardens hearts to prevent the spread of the gospel among Jews. Once again teaching before hardening, they had some ability to understand the gospel.
And finally, I provided Galatians 3:24-25. The evidence that Calvinism's "total spiritual inability" doctrine is mistaken is overwhelming. Unregenerate people have enough spiritual ability that the Law (OT scripture) can escort or lead them to Christ.
Apostle paul called them to be "like" those in the flesh, as they were sticj stuck as mere babes in Christ, and not growing to maturity in Him!
he never called them flesh in the sense as being unsaved, but that they were acting out of their flesh by stunting their growth and being tosses around and holding unto different so called truths!
Same person stated to us that natural men, lost, cannot even receive any spirtual truth from the bible, so?
No Yeshua1, that is not what Paul said. If you rewrite scripture, you place your beliefs in yourself, or in your doctrinal agenda. Before we grow, under the nurture of the Holy Spirit, so we can handle spiritual meat, we are only able to understand and receive spiritual milk. Men of flesh can also understand and receive spiritual milk. But that is contrary to Calvinism so you deny what 1 Cor. 3:1 teaches.
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What is the New Birth ?
First of all it should be made clear that the New Birth is the answer [response] to the effects of Christ's Meritorious Death ! Its Merits, the Merits of His Blood is the Meritorious Cause of why is effected !
The New Birth is the Impartation of Spiritual Life inwardly See Ezk 11:9;36:26 into all for whom He died, and as a result abolishing death for them 2 Tim 1:10, and since this is True, to them He abolished for, He becomes a Quickening/ Life Giving Spirit which results in the New Birth ! Jn 5:21
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth or gives life to whom he will.
And the Spirit is the Instrumental means by which He quickens Jn 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth or gives life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Now for all whom He died, He abolished death for them, which as a result and motive, He gives life from the dead, which is a confirmation that for them He has abolished their death !235
First of all it should be made clear that the New Birth is the answer [response] to the effects of Christ's Meritorious Death ! Its Merits, the Merits of His Blood is the Meritorious Cause of why is effected !
The New Birth is the Impartation of Spiritual Life inwardly See Ezk 11:9;36:26 into all for whom He died, and as a result abolishing death for them 2 Tim 1:10, and since this is True, to them He abolished for, He becomes a Quickening/ Life Giving Spirit which results in the New Birth ! Jn 5:21
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth or gives life to whom he will.
And the Spirit is the Instrumental means by which He quickens Jn 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth or gives life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Now for all whom He died, He abolished death for them, which as a result and motive, He gives life from the dead, which is a confirmation that for them He has abolished their death !235
Lets consider what is the new birth. It is being born anew. When we were conceived in iniquity, we were conceived in a separated from God spiritually dead state. When we are born anew, we are made alive together with Christ, i.e. no longer in a separated from God state. It is a spiritual rebirth. The new birth is our spiritual regeneration, as we were originated spiritually dead, but with the rebirth we are originated again, spiritually alive.
Where does our new birth occur? In Christ! When God spiritually transfers us from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son, we are made alive, reborn, regenerated, made holy and blameless, and indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
Where does our new birth occur? In Christ! When God spiritually transfers us from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son, we are made alive, reborn, regenerated, made holy and blameless, and indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
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What is the New Birth ? 2
Also in addition, the New Birth is the attending fruit of Christ's Righteousness having been Imputed to those He died for, because Righteousness demands Life Prov 12:28
28 In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
And because Christ's Obedience unto death makes them He died for Righteous Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Then Life , Spiritual Life, must be granted to spiritually dead sinners whom He makes Righteous by His Obedience !
Also in addition, the New Birth is the attending fruit of Christ's Righteousness having been Imputed to those He died for, because Righteousness demands Life Prov 12:28
28 In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
And because Christ's Obedience unto death makes them He died for Righteous Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Then Life , Spiritual Life, must be granted to spiritually dead sinners whom He makes Righteous by His Obedience !
savedbymercy
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What is the New Birth ? 3
Life must follow Imputed Righteousness, and that is what Paul means in Rom 5:18
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Because of Christ's Death, those He died for receive both Justification and Life. Life flows to them that have been Justified or made righteous by the obedience of one Rom 5:19b, and for all whom He rose again because of their Justification Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
And they receive the attending life for Prov 11:19
As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.
Prov 12:28
In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
This is Spiritual Life and Eternal Life, and again Rom 5:18 informs us that Both Justification and Life are the fruits of Christ's Death ! The word Justification here in the text
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
II.abjuring to be righteous, justification
So Life given validates being made Righteous, which Life is New Birth !
Life must follow Imputed Righteousness, and that is what Paul means in Rom 5:18
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Because of Christ's Death, those He died for receive both Justification and Life. Life flows to them that have been Justified or made righteous by the obedience of one Rom 5:19b, and for all whom He rose again because of their Justification Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
And they receive the attending life for Prov 11:19
As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.
Prov 12:28
In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
This is Spiritual Life and Eternal Life, and again Rom 5:18 informs us that Both Justification and Life are the fruits of Christ's Death ! The word Justification here in the text
I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
II.abjuring to be righteous, justification
So Life given validates being made Righteous, which Life is New Birth !
It is always important to consider what a verse or passage is actually teaching. Take Proverbs 12:18, "In the way of righteousness is life,
And in its pathway there is no death." Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? Jesus Christ! God sets before us life or death and beseeches us to choose life, i.e. put our trust in Christ. Whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Then lets take a look at Romans 5:19, " For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. Did Christ's death make anyone righteous? Nope. His death provides the promise that many will be made righteous, when God credits their faith as righteousness and transfers them spiritually into Christ. That is when they undergo the circumcision of Christ and are made righteous.
How about Romans 5:18? "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men." Were all men justified by the death of Christ? Nope. But instead scripture teaches His death provided justification of life to all men. He died for all mankind.
Bottom line, study scripture and consider what it actually teaches, that we are reborn in Christ, as new creatures, created for good works. We were spiritually dead before God put us spiritually in Christ, but together with Christ we were made alive, regenerated, born anew, justified, made holy and blameless.
And in its pathway there is no death." Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? Jesus Christ! God sets before us life or death and beseeches us to choose life, i.e. put our trust in Christ. Whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Then lets take a look at Romans 5:19, " For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. Did Christ's death make anyone righteous? Nope. His death provides the promise that many will be made righteous, when God credits their faith as righteousness and transfers them spiritually into Christ. That is when they undergo the circumcision of Christ and are made righteous.
How about Romans 5:18? "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men." Were all men justified by the death of Christ? Nope. But instead scripture teaches His death provided justification of life to all men. He died for all mankind.
Bottom line, study scripture and consider what it actually teaches, that we are reborn in Christ, as new creatures, created for good works. We were spiritually dead before God put us spiritually in Christ, but together with Christ we were made alive, regenerated, born anew, justified, made holy and blameless.
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Nope ? Then you just denied the very Truth set forth in the verse you quoted ! His Death made many Righteous. His Death is His Obedience as it is His Obedience unto death Phil 2:8
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Nope ? Then you just denied the very Truth set forth in the verse you quoted ! His Death made many Righteous. His Death is His Obedience as it is His Obedience unto death Phil 2:8
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
What part of will be made righteous do you not understand. Will be refers to a future activity. Christ's death provided a future where many will be made righteous. Your view puts the cart before the horse.
The issue is not Christ's obedience. Here is what Philippians 2:8 says, " Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross."
Presuppositions blind many to the truth set before them.
Christ's obedience resulted in His death on the cross. Christ's death resulted in providing justification of life to all men. When our faith in Christ is credited as righteousness by God alone, God puts us in Christ spiritually, where we undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, holy and blameless, washed by His blood, shed for us.
The issue is not Christ's obedience. Here is what Philippians 2:8 says, " Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross."
Presuppositions blind many to the truth set before them.
Christ's obedience resulted in His death on the cross. Christ's death resulted in providing justification of life to all men. When our faith in Christ is credited as righteousness by God alone, God puts us in Christ spiritually, where we undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, holy and blameless, washed by His blood, shed for us.
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Note this was posted after I posted this:
Did Christ's death make anyone righteous? Nope. His death provides the promise that many will be made righteous, when God credits their faith as righteousness and transfers them spiritually into Christ. That is when they undergo the circumcision of Christ and are made righteous.
Folks, all you have to do is just read Romans 5:19, and ignore those who question the commitment to scripture of others.
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Once again all Calvinism has to offer are slanderous attacks on me personally. Did I say Christ's death did not make people righteous in the future, i.e. after His death, when people receive the reconciliation provided by His death. Nope.
But the systematic effort to misrepresent my view continues. This is what I said that was edited out of the above quote:
Christ's obedience resulted in His death on the cross. Christ's death resulted in providing justification of life to all men. When our faith in Christ is credited as righteousness by God alone, God puts us in Christ spiritually, where we undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, holy and blameless, washed by His blood, shed for us.
But after I post this SBM posts "Van falsely says that Christ death didn't make anyone righteous...."
So rather than discuss scripture, we get disparagement. Go figure
But the systematic effort to misrepresent my view continues. This is what I said that was edited out of the above quote:
Christ's obedience resulted in His death on the cross. Christ's death resulted in providing justification of life to all men. When our faith in Christ is credited as righteousness by God alone, God puts us in Christ spiritually, where we undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, holy and blameless, washed by His blood, shed for us.
But after I post this SBM posts "Van falsely says that Christ death didn't make anyone righteous...."
So rather than discuss scripture, we get disparagement. Go figure
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Van says snip:
Scripture says Truthfully Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Van also lies and says that Rom 5:19 means that by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous by their faith being credited as righteousness, thats a lie, Rom 5:19 says that many shall be made Righteous , not by their faith being credited as righteousness, but by the obedience of Christ !
That word by dia means:
iii.because of for this reason
So plainly Paul gives the reason why many shall be made Righteous, its because of the Obedience of Christ alone ! His Obedience alone makes sure they are made Righteous !
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