Featured Sabbath breaking - becomes the mark of the Beast in the future

The Good News is rather that the Law was never intended to carry an eternally salvific quality.

The Good News is that God gave us the ability to recognize that we were sinners, helpless to restore relationship with God by any means, and that God supplied the necessary remedy for our condition.

We have to distinguish between the Law (the Word of God) and the (Covenant of) Law.

While the Law of God is found in the Law of God, and certainly should have been a means capable of making one righteous, it is not the Law that saves us. It is the Gospel.

And obedience to the Gospel follows hearing the Word of God. The Law and the Covenant of Law, we are told, was intentionally lacking in direct revelation of the Gospel of Christ, and was temporal and physical. But the Word of God as we now have is complete in regards to remission of sin and reconciliation, and we see that the Economy of the Law has passed away to yield to the Economy of the New Testament and the revelation God has provided us today.

Let me ask you this, Bob, do you understand the significance of the Coming of the Comforter? Do you see the difference between that which was external and temporal and that which is Eternal and Spiritual?

You say...

...and I agree, however, that does not mean we are not commanded, all of us, to progress from the foundational principles of Christ in the Law to the completion Christ has wrought in regards to Eternal Redemption:


Hebrews 5:11-6:2

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11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


Hebrews 7:11-13

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11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.


Hebrews 9:15-17

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15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.



Show me where there is Christian Doctrine supporting the keeping of the Sabbath. Show me how Christians are still under the Law?

In the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, we see a difference in the Old and the New Economies:


Luke 16:28-30

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28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.


We might think it strange that the Lord suggests that they have Moses and the Prophets to keep them from torment, but only if we ignore the fact that the Gospel was a Mystery not revealed in that time.

While I view Sabbath Keeping as error, I will also say that based on Paul's teachings we can also say we do not judge those who feel they have to keep the Sabbath. Usually such a view is accompanied by loss of salvation teachings, but that too will not keep one from being saved. Salvation is not about doctrinal flawlessness, because we are all usually born again pretty ignorant. But if we avoid over-use of books about the Bible, and stay in the Books of the Bible, I feel we will begin to understand the magnitude of Christ's Work, which makes the believer perfect in regards to remission of sins...


Hebrews 10:14

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14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


...forever.


God bless.

 

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom_9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

You cannot insist that we must worship on Sat because it is the law and then say what you posted here. Two completely different subjects.

 

Sorry, but the New Covenant does not revolve around Israel and Judah:


Galatians 3:13-17

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13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


Consider:


Genesis 12:2-3

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2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


God has always intended to redeem all men, not just Israel and Judah.

It is because Israel was so entrenched in the Law that they rejected Christ. The Writer of Hebrews rebukes them often on this point.

Your point? This makes it clear that circumcision according to the Law has no bearing on the reality of being in obedience to God.

And how do we do that which the Hebrew people failed to do?


Ezekiel 36:27

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27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Now look back up at Galatians 3:14. You could also, if you have time, take a look at Paul's point, well, I'll just post it:


Galatians 3

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1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

And what are His commandments?

John tells me...


1 John 5:2-4

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2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


Here is the beginning of keeping the commandments of Christ:


John 3:7

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7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Who under the Covenant of Law was born again, Bob?

Here's another one:


John 15

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4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Which of Christ's disciples obeyed this command, Bob?

I would suggest they couldn't, not until after they obeyed this one:


Acts 1:4-5

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4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Noticing any familiar themes here?

So the Sabbath was not a holy day?

All Holy Days are covered here, Bob.

Oh, so they can keep the Law by keeping the weekly Sabbath but the annual Holy Days are of no consequence any longer, right?

Come on, Bob.


God bless.

 

Sorry, I just don't see a correlation to the Mark of the Beast.


God bless.

 

No, Bob, I have the One Gospel of the Word of God.

The Old Testament Saints did not receive the revealed Gospel of Christ, that was not revealed in the Old Testament, And when even the Lord alluded to it...it was rejected by His own disciples:


Matthew 16:20-23

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20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


If you would like to discuss this in detail let me know. But what you are not going to do is show anyone that understands the Gospel of Christ in the Old Testament, and I view the Lord's Ministry to be a part of the Old Testament Economy.

Unless you think the Lord meant to imply that He was not come to take away the sins of the whole world in saying...


Matthew 10:5-7

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5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Matthew 15:23-24

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23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.




Was the Lord denying His purpose in coming? No, He was simply working within the framework of the revelation provided to men in that day.

Your premise is in error.

I preach the One Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is true that God's Redemptive Plan is seen in the Abrahamic Covenant, and in fact Paul points out that the Covenant of Law did not nullify the promises of God, but have you stopped to consider that this only shows that the Law...was temporary and given only...

...until Christ came?

This is New Testament revelation speaking directly to the issue:


Romans 16:24-26

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24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

So what we can conclude is that while the "gospel" was preached before, we do not impose the fully revealed Gospel of Christ before it is actually given.

If you think about that you will see it is the reason we can reconcile the actions of the disciples when they abandoned Him, Denied knowing Him, and in fact tried to keep Christ from the Cross:


John 18:10-12

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10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,


The Lord knew Peter's heart, and that Peter looked for the Christ that was revealed in the Old Testament.

So point it out.

Show me where Christ is revealed in the Law to the Children of Israel who in large part were unbelievers and without faith.

You can't even do that in the Gospels.

And I don't mean the shadow, I mean the reality. The True.

They had Manna in the Old Testament, we have the True Bread in the New.

And again, Christ's teaching was simply not understood:


John 6:65-66

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65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


Incidentally, some think John 6:66 is the Number of the Beast.

Agreed, but now we do so with an understanding of the Law in light of our understanding of our condition as compared to the Holiness of God.

Those under the Law could not keep the Law:


Hebrews 8:7-9

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7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.


Now another Mystery concerning the Gospel in regards to Israel is that of Gentile Inclusion:


Colossians 1:25-27

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25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


We just cannot understand the Mystery if we do not recognize it is Mystery...

And that is one very important distinction.

And nowhere do we see commandment to observe the Sabbath, but in fact we are told not to judge any man concerning any holy day. You can exclude the weekly Sabbath if you like, and I will not judge you for that, but clearly if there was going to be such a yoke placed on Gentiles we would have it in Acts 15.

Of course, if it were there, we would also likely have Paul correcting Peter or James about that...

There is a difference between upholding, establishing the Law of God, but an entirely different issue to bring people under the yoke of bondage under the Covenant of Law.


Hebrews 8:13

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13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


God bless.

 

That was the Economy of the Covenant of Law.

You are saying that you have to keep part of the Law only, and you would likely have been excommunicated if you had skipped this aspect of Law.

It is very different, lol.

Do you see you have no New Testament passages to support keeping the weekly Sabbath? Not one?

And let's look at this with v.5 thrown in:


1 John 5:1-5

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1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


The context is about regeneration, and that is how we overcome. When we believe on Christ and are born again.

Nothing whatsoever about Keeping the First Covenant (Covenant of Law) or the Sabbath.

And out of time, so catch you later.

One last question: since you see me as teaching a false gospel, does this mean we aren't friends anymore?


God bless.