The Context of the Parenthesis Church

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Maybe if you spent a little time in a good, Bible believing and teaching Independent Baptist Church you would discover just how much w believe that the Lord God of Heaven is Sovereign.

That is why we can debate these issues and others, well, they have to resort to attacking people.

And if you look at the use of harpazo, you will see it is used in a context twice where there is no doubt where the destination is...with God in Heaven.


God bless.

What do you consider a good one, one full of exuberant dispys? .....ah, no thanks! If necessary, perhaps a good Presbyterian Church or Reformed Baptist Church......but an independent Dispy church ....I will pass, thank you. But I am looking to establish a Great Mainstream Primitive Baptist church in Northern NJ....that would be paramount!!!:thumbs:

 

[revmwc]

What do you consider a good one, one full of exuberant dispys? .....ah, no thanks! If necessary, perhaps a good Presbyterian Church or Reformed Baptist Church......but an independent Dispy church ....I will pass, thank you. But I am looking to establish a Great Mainstream Primitive Baptist church in Northern NJ....that would be paramount!!!:thumbs:

Define reformed. I asked that on another thread and received this definition, "Catholicism without a Pope." So is that your definition of Reformed?

 

[OldRegular]

Define reformed. I asked that on another thread and received this definition, "Catholicism without a Pope." So is that your definition of Reformed?

Who gave the definition? DC?

 

[revmwc]

Who gave the definition? DC?

No it was beameup.

 

[OldRegular]

By what you say we can take this without going to the real story in Genesis not splinter then, Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

God commanded Noah to build an Ark and he did. He prepared an Ark and put His house on it: the world was condemned, we know you believe it was just that region, but this say the world was condemned so we need to take it that way. No animal life was saved nothing but Noah, because we can't go back to Genesis to get the full story that would be splintering God's word, wouldn't it?

That has nothing to do with the question I asked:

You are dancing around, shuffling your feet but you will not name a person. Saying it is the same person who received payment for our sins is not an answer because there are different views on that!

 

[revmwc]

That has nothing to do with the question I asked:

If you answer my question you would have your answer.

Who received the payment for mankind's sin when Jesus blood paid for them?

 

[revmwc]

If you answer my question you would have your answer.

Who received the payment for mankind's sin when Jesus blood paid for them?

Can someone else answer this question since OR doesn't seem to know who received the payment for mankind's sin?

We as believers receive the benefit of the payment but who required the payment for that sin?

Evidently OR doesn't know about Christ blood becoming the Propitiation or satisfaction of man's sin death.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Define reformed. I asked that on another thread and received this definition, "Catholicism without a Pope." So is that your definition of Reformed?

A church that stresses DoG as the Salvation doctrinal theme.

 

[revmwc]

A church that stresses DoG as the Salvation doctrinal theme.

forgive me but what is DoG? I know what a dog is but those appear to be intials for something and I may have read it but can't remember what it means.

 

[DHK]

forgive me but what is DoG? I know what a dog is but those appear to be intials for something and I may have read it but can't remember what it means.

I always took it to be the shorthand method of writing "Calvinism."

 

[revmwc]

I always took it to be the shorthand method of writing "Calvinism."

Would you mind answering my question in post 127, since OR doesn't seem to know the answer!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

forgive me but what is DoG? I know what a dog is but those appear to be intials for something and I may have read it but can't remember what it means.

No sweat.....'Doctrines of Grace' or also known as 'Sovereign Election and Grace'

 

[revmwc]

No sweat.....'Doctrines of Grace' or also known as 'Sovereign Election and Grace'

those who believe God isn't omniscient enough to foreknow who would choose to accept Christ and who would choose to reject Christ and therefore predestine the ones He knew would make the choice for Christ to be adopted.

You mean that Sovereign election teaching?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I always took it to be the shorthand method of writing "Calvinism."

Don't go telling that to a Primitive Baptist......in fact, since I don't follow Calvin in his sacramental ways & Paedo baptism, I don't consider myself a Calvinist either. Much to Convicted's disappointment.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

those who believe God isn't omniscient enough to foreknow who would choose to accept Christ and who would choose to reject Christ and therefore predestine the ones He knew would make the choice for Christ to be adopted.

You mean that Sovereign election teaching?

No, the one that believes that God is totally Sovereign in all things & that He provides Saving Grace to His Elect so that they will be saved for eternity......No getting sucked up into the stratosphere or being left behind.....That Sovereign Election teaching.

To help you out in understanding, review Peleganism and when you get a grip on it then reverse it, then you would come close.

 

[revmwc]

No, the one that believes that God is totally Sovereign in all things & that He provides Saving Grace to His Elect so that they will be saved for eternity......No getting sucked up into the stratosphere or being left behind.....That Sovereign Election teaching.

To help you out in understanding, review Peleganism and when you get a grip on it then reverse it, then you would come close.

I believe God is the Soveriegn of the universe nothing happens that He doesn't know about or allow. He allowed Job to be tried by Satan, He allowed Peter to be sifted by satan as well as the other disciples. But He also gave may volition to make a conscious decision about many things. We use that volition every single day. We decide to give in to temptation or follow after God, He gave man the ability to choose to believe on Christ or to reject Christ. He knew who would and who wouldn't believe and therefore by His foreknowledge He predestined those whom He Foreknew would believe.

He also foreknew that Israel would reject Christ and made plans for the church to come into existence.

He is an Omniscient God who knows all and allows what He will because He is Sovereign.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I believe God is the Soveriegn of the universe nothing happens that He doesn't know about or allow. He allowed Job to be tried by Satan, He allowed Peter to be sifted by satan as well as the other disciples. But He also gave may volition to make a conscious decision about many things. We use that volition every single day. We decide to give in to temptation or follow after God, He gave man the ability to choose to believe on Christ or to reject Christ. He knew who would and who wouldn't believe and therefore by His foreknowledge He predestined those whom He Foreknew would believe.

He also foreknew that Israel would reject Christ and made plans for the church to come into existence.

He is an Omniscient God who knows all and allows what He will because He is Sovereign.

Right...so you believe church to be only an after thought. So why wouldn't the Jews just matriculate into the Church? Are they special...do they have holy DNA?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Who gave the definition? DC?

Ahhhh haaaaa:laugh:

Well he is a piker...we can add that to his resume.

 

[DHK]

Can someone else answer this question since OR doesn't seem to know who received the payment for mankind's sin?

We as believers receive the benefit of the payment but who required the payment for that sin?

Evidently OR doesn't know about Christ blood becoming the Propitiation or satisfaction of man's sin death.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

As not to seem unbiased, A.T. Robertson says about this verse:

And he (kai autos). He himself in his own person, both priest and sacrifice (Heb_9:14).
The propitiation (hilasmos). Late substantive from hilaskomai (Luk_18:13; Heb_2:17), in lxx, Philo, Plutarch, in N.T. only here and 1Jo_4:10. Christ himself is the means of propitiation for (peri concerning) our sins. See hilastērion in Rom_3:15.
For the whole world (peri holou tou kosmou). It is possible to supply the ellipsis here of tōn hamartiōn (the sins of) as we have it in Heb_7:27, but a simpler way is just to regard “the whole world” as a mass of sin (1Jo_5:19). At any rate, the propitiation by Christ provides for salvation for all (Heb_2:9) if they will only be reconciled with God (2Co_5:19-21).

I like the way he put that:
"The propitiation by Christ provides for salvation for all (Heb_2:9) if they will only be reconciled with God."

Propitiation means satisfaction in a legal sense. Christ legally satisfied the demands of God with his shed blood that provision of salvation for all had been made.
God received the payment. God's demands were met.

 

[OldRegular]

Would you mind answering my question in post 127, since OR doesn't seem to know the answer!

I know that claiming the GRRReAAt Seven Year Tribulation is payment for the redemption of the earth is utter nonsense, but that is usual with pre-trib-"snatching away"-of the-Church-dispensationalism.

Now if you could name who the recipient of the payment is, but you won't because you know it will be more nonsense!