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Let's see 69 weeks if it equals weeks then that would place Christ return around the time of Ezra and Nehemiah if that be so then who was the Messiah?

What we do know is that 69 x 7 for a seven year period equals 483. Per the best calculations we can find it was 483 years from the going forth of the proclamation to rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah would come and be cut off, was exactly the time Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey, and a week later He was cut off.

That fits God plan. Then there would according to Daniel be a span of time before the Tribulation would come and 1/2 way into it the abomination that maketh desolate would be set up. Which has yet to occur the thing is Revelation shows that period from chapter 7-19. I believe god will spare the church and rapture her out, you on the other want to go through the tribulation by denying it will occur.

Daniel said it will, Revelation says it will fortunately for you God will snatch you out unwilling and all.

 

How many answers do you want for this. I answered OR and then you in post 139 DHK answered, post 147 I answered, Post 167 I answered,

Here is 167,



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So it is the earth that is punished by the Great Tribulation to make propitiation for the earth's sin. And just how did the earth sin?

"Wrong it is unregenerate men who pay the price in the Great Tribulation in order that the curse is removed. The Tribulation begins with all unregenerate humans. A multitude will be saved by the witness of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses as well as the 2 witness in the last half of the Tribulation. We see those who are beheaded for Christ during the O.T. and N.T. periods in Revelation 6:9-11 asking when those who took their blood will be judged and avenged,

9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

They must wait this little season that is the 7years of the Tribulation until all the Tribulation Saints who will be martyred have be fulfilled.

We see them avenged in Revelation 19:2 "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand."

God seals the 144,000 so that they will not died during this time, He raises up the two witnesses and those in the Tribulation have the witness of the church prior to her removal that will lead people to Salvation.
God knows exactly how many and who will trust Christ in this dispensation of Grace and in the Tribulation. Just as He knew who would trust Christ in the O.T. and those born during the Kingdom age. Since God foreknew who would be saved He predestinated them to be adopted.

The Kingdom comes to a restored earth with all creation back to Pre-Fall state. The Tribulation accomplishes the Redwmption or Restoration of the Earth. The terms of Redemption in the seven sealed book being opened by the Kinsman redeemer and God the Father is satisfied with the meeting (payment) of the terms of Redemption of the Lost Possession.

Prior to the Kingdom and at Christ second coming unbelievers are slain as seen in Revelation 19:21 "And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."
We see where they are for the 1000 year reign, Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." They were in hell until the 1000 years is over.

During the Kingdom we see this fulfilled:

Isaiah 11:1-10,

1 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Who is the stem of Jesse none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.He will be on the throne in Jerusalem, all creation is restored and the Tribulation was the payment of the redemption price, just as the Kinsman redeemer laws of Israel required payment. Just as God required payment for our sins so too must the terms of redemption for the possession be met. Then the Kingdom as Described by Isaiah comes into fruition. With Christ reigning as the root or stem of Jesse.

Highlighted in red is the answer to that question.

Bottom line the same one who required a blood sacrifice for our sins and sent His Son to make the payment for our sins, is the same one who requires that His wrath be poured out upon the people of the Tribulation and the earth to meet the price of redemption. Christ met the price for the sins of the whole world, God's wrath poured out in the Tribulation will meet His requirement for the redemption price of the Earth. So who gets paid, God the Father was satisfied with the payment of the Blood of His son for our sins. So too will He be satisfied with the payment of judgment upon all the world and all of mankind in the Tribulation.

 

No I am saying God's judgment redeems the earth not the people.

 

Where do you get that their deaths redeem the earth? God's wrath poured out on the earth produces the reclamation of the earth.

Who is Kenneth Copeland??????????????

 

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"The redemption of land which had been lost by its owner Leviticus 25:23-25. The method of redemption went like this, when a man had fallen into debt and lost his property, he was taken before the judges a document was prepared which stated that the land had passed from the debtor into the possession of the on whom he owed the debt. But this transfer was not a permanent transfer. When the year of Jubilee came the land was returned to the original owner. In the meantime it could be redeemed and returned to him. There were two ways this transaction would work. Either the man himself could repay the redemption price which was very unlikely, because he was now a servant. Secondly it could be purchased back by a near relative, an uncle or closer kinsman. The terms were written on two different scrolls, or as we see in Revelation books. On both of these were written the terms of the redemption of the lost possession. One scroll was left open in the court of the Temple or Tabernacle for all to read. The other was rolled up sealed with seven seals and placed in the temple to be brought out only when the near kinsman redeemer gave evidence that he was willing and able to redeem it. He would go to the court of the Tabernacle, read the terms of redemption found in the open public scroll and then go to the priest or judge and demand that the sealed document be brought forth and the debtor be freed and the property returned. If this relative this near kinsman was able to prove he could meet the terms able to pay the redemption price, if he could meet all the conditions of the law, the sealed scroll was produced and he publically opened the seals...If this relative this near kinsman was able to prove he could meet the terms able to pay the redemption price, if he could meet all the conditions of the law, the sealed scroll was produced and he publically opened the seals. Thus validating the claim and making invalid the mortgage. The man could return to his possession. Eventually the practice of one scroll instead of two was adopted. Instead of two one public scroll and one sealed these were combined into one. One scroll or book was used. The terms of the redemption was written on both sides within and without. When the scroll was rolled into a tube and sealed with the seven seals, the inside corresponded to the secret record and the outside containing the terms for the public and especially the near kinsman redeemer. Who might want to know the terms of redemption of the lost possession! That is the picture we see here in Revelation 5. Here we see the judge of all the earth sitting on his throne, in His hand the scroll written on the outside and the backside or inside and sealed with seven seals. This is therefore the book of redemption. This is evident also in Revelation 5:9-10.
...John is weeping because the redemption terms are found in the book, whose or what redemption terms? This is what we need to understand concerning this book. In the Levitical law the scroll had to do with the redemption of land. We saw the three things that could be redeemed. A wife, a servant and the land. At this point in Chapter 5 the first two have been accomplished. Christ bride the Church is now in Heaven as seen in Chapter 4. We who are Christ servants, have been fully redeemed. We have at this point received our resurrection bodies. For we were changed just as seen in 1st Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. But the earth has yet to be redeemed from the curse. The animals on this earth are still groaning under the curse. The earth itself is groaning under the curse Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. These too must be redeemed. For Christ is the perfect redeemer. Every realm that came under the curse of Adam’s sin. It must also be redeemed by the Last Adam. Adam was placed in headship over the earth. When Adam fell he did not fall alone, he fell as the head of this earth. He fell as the head of the animals. Through his sin the curse fell upon all that had been placed under him. Everything was under his authority. Adam was created and given dominion over the earth and all that was on it and in it. Being given dominion means he was the leader or head over creation. He was the father of mankind and all nations. Because of his sin the whole earth was fell under the curse. The whole human race fell under the curse. Every human being is born with an old sin nature therefore all are sinners and all are condemned until they place their faith in Christ. Through Adam’s sin death passed upon all mankind. The soil of this earth too is under the curse, God said it was look at Genesis 3:17-18...All the vegetation is under the same curse. Thorns and thistles, weeds begin to spring up. All as a result of the corruption of their nature. All of which was brought on by the curse. Not only were the vegetables and minerals affected by the curse, so too were the animals, all were under the curse...Christ came to redeem all that Adam lost and He is a perfect redeemer a complete redeemer. He is the second and Last Adam. He will bring deliverance to every thing that came under Adam’s curse. He will redeem the earth. The desert shall blossom like the rose. He will redeem the vegetables. Isaiah 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes."