Featured Sola Scriptura: week-day-1 vs Bible Sabbath

Lev 23:1-3 -- the weekly Sabbath is a "day of holy convocation".

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" - for all eternity even in the New Earth according to the text.

In the OT - the liturgy of the organized church -- nation church, one true nation church started by God at Sinai with priestood appointed by God - included the use of animal sacrifices. In Hebrews 10 - the "once for all time" offering of Christ as sacrifice - ended the animal sacrifice "He takes away the first to establish the second" Heb 10. So instead of an ongoing perpetually confecting of the "body soul and divinity of Christ" in the mass - Hebrews 10 says it is a "once for all" sacrifice and with it ends the animal sacrifices -- according to that chapter.

 

So far you only 'quote you' -- we can all see what 'you' mean and write "in real life" and you are accurate only so far as 'you quote you'.

 

Again.. you merely 'quote you' -- does it ever end???

 

New Covenant - made with "The house of Israel and the house of Judah" Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8:6-10 in both OT and NT - unchanged

Until you read the actual Bible - for example Is 56:1-8 and then read the OP where you find Gentile proselytes in the synagogues "every Sabbath" Acts 8:4-6

As the Baptist Confession of Faith points out - the TEN commandments remain - although the laws of the theocracy no longer apply once that theocracy ends.

And your own Pope John Paul II affirms this same point - the TEN Commandments still apply to the saints.

Colossians 2 says nothing about deleting even one of the Ten Commandments - rather it preaches against "making stuff up" that is not in the bible.

Col 2
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?

 

How so. Nothing in the OP would deny the Bible definition for the Triune Godhead - one God in Three persons. Starting for example in Matt 28 and the great commission and "NAME of the Father and SON and the HOLY SPIRIT".

I make may point - "sola scriptura" -- I welcome anyone to participate on that same basis. It is a level playing field in that regard.

Interesting the creative ways that some are finding to 'get around it'.

True - and so I would assume that a great many will not choose that path on this thread. A few might choose it - but not many.

The word "Christian Sabbath" does not appear at all in the OP -- or in the Bible. But we do have "week day 1" in both places. I use that. Week day 1 does exist - but according to the Bible - in all the places that you can find it - what is said about that day - and what is said about the 7th day?

The OP provides a Bible comparison. Sola Scriptura guys should love that!

The "Bible fact" is that the term "Lord's Day" is found only once in all of scripture - and the one place does not say 'week day 1 is the Lord's Day'.

But we do have "Holy Day of the Lord" -- In Is 58:13 - not pointing to week-day-1.
And we do have Christ himself saying He is 'LORD of" a certain day in Mark 2:28 -- but is does not say "Lord of week-day-1"

My point is - Bible details matter.

 

In the OP we have a "sola scriptura" review of the doctrine. Perhaps as you say - week-day-1 does not survive it - but I think I can show that the doctrine of the Trinity does survive such a review - starting with text like Matt 28 speaking of 'the NAME of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit' -

By contrast what I present in the OP may be compared to one person arguing that the Bible shows Jesus Christ to be "God on Earth" -- and another arguing that Peter was "God on Earth" - I think a sola scriptura review of the subject would show many texts pointing out that this works for Christ -- and by contrast does not work for Peter. (I am sure you would agree to this last example favoring Christ as well).

The retort of the form "yes it is hard to show Peter was 'God on Earth' from the Bible but that is like the difficulty in proving the Trinity' - does not work in the presence of Bible details.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Still even with that "bait and switch" tactic -- you merely "quote you" - for your added false accusations?

Does it ever end?

 

Let's evaluate that claim "sola scriptura" --

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

The OP evaluates the proposition DHK made - "sola scriptura" -- your response so far is "asbsent all scriptura" - and this can be seen in your own text so far.

By contrast - case by case is evaluated for the subject of BIBLE statements regarding
1. Keeping some day of the week holy
2. A day of the week that God calls "My Holy Day"
3. A day of the week that God says will be kept by all mankind - after the cross - for all eternity
4. A day of the week where Christ says HE is "LORD" of it - specifically.
5. A day of the week that we are "commanded to keep" Holy
6. The subject of tweaking/editing/setting-aside one of the Commandments of God for the sake of church tradition.

Not an exegetical example of anything in that case.

There is no case in OT or NT where the term "Sabbath" regarding a weekly day of rest, is not applied to the 7th day of the week. And we all know it. No such thing as "weekly Sabbath -- and by that term this particular text means week day 1, or 3 or 5" -- and we all know it.

The comparison is not to "trinity" where we can see it in Matt 28.

Try this comparison between one claim that "Christ" was "God on earth" (A term not found in the Bible but we can find texts to show it in any case) and the idea that "PETER was God on Earth" -- using the same term not found in the Bible but applying it to Peter.

Yet even that example fails since SABBATH IS a term found in the Bible - and Sabbath applied to the 7th day - IS a teaching we DO find in the Bible.


Now for your two specific examples -- your claims are:

1. Example 1 - NT shows WEEKLY week-day-1 after week-day-1 and even EVERY week-day-1 worship services taking place. (Even if there is no actual command to do it).

I assume you mean "the WEEKLY practice of Christians gathering for worship weekly, in week-day-1 after week-day-1 and also EVERY week-day-1, is well established in the NT"-- correct?

2. Example 2. The NT Text actually says that week-day-1 is the LORD's Day.

I assume you mean "In Revelation chapter 1 John says that week-day-1 is the LORD's Day" -- correct?

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Both of those claims were illustrated in the OP - showing what we have in real-life in the actual Bible on those two points. But I will add that week-day-1 is not mentioned at all in Revelation chapter 1. There is only one place where "The LORD's Day" is specifically mentioned and that is Rev 1 - and it says nothing like "The seventh day is the Sabbath" -- or "week day 1 is the Sabbath" or "Week day 1 is the LORD's day" in that chapter -- as we all know.


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Ok so there is that one point where we do agree --- I think.

 

So far we have "you" for the source of that statement - and each time you 'quote you' you give us no reference at all for it -- other than our reading of your post.

Are we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Jesus was born - we should remember that event - yet it is not a weekly event.
Jesus died for our sins and was raised -- we should remember those events but there is no weekly cycle at all for them.

 

Good post and of course both Is 66:23 and Lev 23:1-4 show that it is a day of worship.