Featured The word wine does not mean alcoholic always.

So you were not insulting me?

 

My Italian grandmother once told me "God makes wine, man makes whiskey".

HankD

 

Nope, and if we ever meet in real life, the first Mike's is on me.

 

I love Mikes lemonade!

 

You're kind of famous for that on the BB!

I'll admit that it tastes nice, but the sugar content is too high for me.

 

I have a sweet tooth

 

Any beverage that causes fast drunkenness is to be avoided. Mikes lemonades do not cause fast drunkenness. I usually drink 1 or so when I feel like it to avoid falling into sin.

 

I believe the Mishnah states that wine in the passover feast was three parts water and one part wine.

 

The Holman Christian Standard has "beer" instead of "strong drink." Still pondering that one.

 

I'm sick of the non-fundamentalist attack on us of "legalistic" and "legalism." Jordan is not at all being legalistic. You can disagree with him without being nasty.

What exactly is legalism? It is NOT simply having standards. It is when you believe those standards make you holy. Jordan has no said that to my knowledge.

 

I was also wondering about beer and Israel.

Curious about the word shekhar. Seems like a good case can be made that it referred to beer.

 

Or even a distilled spirit. The ancients were knowledgeable about distillation.

http://montgomerydistillery.com/our-process/distilling/

HankD

 

Huh? Your link clearly states:

 

Not I Jerome - where supposedly did I say this?

Thanks
HankD

 

I enjoy a glass every morning. Love it!

 

Really? A grape has carbon dioxide in it? So, like, if we had a food fight with grapes, those things would be exploding when they hit. Cool! (Note that the OT even uses the term "new wine" to refer to the juice in the grapes.)

This has been said before here, but I've never seen it proven. Do you have some kind of scientific evidence for this? And it seems to me that if it is true, that doesn't mean that there would be much alcohol at all for quite awhile, probably not enough to taste or even matter.

According to the Wikipedia article, "It should be noted that few yeast, and lactic and acetic acid bacterial colonies naturally live on the surface of grapes." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_in_winemaking). Now, Wikipedia is not reliable as a source, but this article does source the information. In other words, to be sure to have grape juice ferment because of yeast on the grapes, you must purposefully put the yeast there. Furthermore, it seems like a simple process before or right after harvesting the grapes could wash the grapes and produce pure grape juice, if one wished to do so.

 

Don't let these folk fool you. This paragraph is 100% accurate. My favorite lexicon says of oinos: "wine; (1) literally, of the juice of grapes, usually fermented" (Friberg Anlex). This means, of course, that the word does not always point to fermented wine. One place it is clearly non-alcoholic is Luke 5:37-38. As proof that "new wine" in Jewish thinking was non-alcoholic, in the OT it even refers to the juice while it is in the grape (Is. 65:8).