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Very true.

 

Yeshua1, that is a terribly ignorant and untruthful statement on your part.

 

You might want to reconsider that:
(Ecc 10:2) A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.

Hmmm, I’ll take that (not being bothered with taking a stand on moral responsibilities ...when convenient) as you hold to strict view of Deterministic Divine Sovereignty…

Well, let me first say to each his own when it comes to their theological position.

As a matter of fact I once had a friend who was a very Calvinistic pastor who had met his wife on a dating site.

He’s no longer around though now and I don’t expect that I will ever see him again. It seems he got caught up in a secret adulterous affair with the church secretary and this was going on for some time, although many were becoming suspicious.

Finally, the suspicions spread and rumors reached his wife. When he got home that day he got into a huge fight with his wife and ended up hitting her so hard that she died.

Later, after he had been found guilty and was about to be sentenced the judge paused to ask him, “What was going on in your mind when you found out you had killed had your wife?” Apparently, he said, “I was thinking WHEW, I’m glad that is over with!”

 

Ben, do you often butcher God's word or is this a time of exception?

As for moral responsibilities, we will all be judged for our actions. Some chosen children will enter with the flames of hell licking at their back side. (See 1 Corinthians) We have a responsibility to obey God.

Finally, as for your anecdotal story...it is always sad when our sinful nature is acting contrary to God's will. Regardless of our acceptance of God's sovereign reign over our lives, we are still prone, in our sinful bodies, to walk in rebellion to our King. We truly need God's grace for each moment of our lives. May we find that grace in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

Menno, do you often resort to accusations of butchery when someone merely presents a verse for consideration, even if it without any exposition included whatsoever? ...To be frank, actually, I've noted your typical defense of jumping to conclusions of butchery accusations on the board, but FYI you might also want to reconsider this poor habit of yours because in this case you don't even have a premise to base that "conclusion you're jumping" on.

God either Determines all things, or He does not. If He is the sole cause of our country's leadership, according to your view, wherein you are not bothered to take action and apparently having a belief of being justified in not doing so, well, I don't think I'll change your perspectives here. But, please don't ask me to take it (Determinism) both ways because basic logic and critical thinking skills tells me such a thing can't be both true and not true. Unless, of course, you're not "bothered" by me thinking your reasoning in these matters is serious messed up.

 

Well, last time I checked my anatomy book, the heart was on the left side of the thoracic cavity. Thus using Ecclesiastes to make a point is a poor atempt.

God ordains all things according to His will. This means that God's will is always being accomplished no matter the events that occur. As Mordechai told Esther, if you do not obey, God will spare his chosen by another means. So, God's will is determined, no matter the means which occur.

Whether your logic or thinking skills can grasp that is of no concern. Our task is to trust God and obey.

 

I am not saying that the folks are lazy, but that there is a running stream within their ranks have becoming used to being serviced by the govt, to be on social programs, as that was one of the big means Dems ysed to keep them voting so much for them!

 

98% voted for him both times, and the sad truth is that MANY of them were conservative/christians, who admited that due to him being a black man, had to vote for him, even though it went against their own views on morals and religion!

 

Again, you're watching too much FOX news. Please know that every media outlet has an agenda and thus feeds you misnformation. In this instance you are misinformed.

 

What you are saying is that people do what they feel they have to do in a system that is racist by nature.

 

Got it. So if Jeffery Dahmer hadn't eaten them boys God would have fixed it so someone else would have. So why should we (predetermined chosen children) be "bothered" with trivial things like who gets elected as our leaders since "we" should all be so sure God has "ordained/pre-determined" all things according to His will? ...therefore, this not being bothered works pretty well for whatever doesn't quit go so well. How convenient that we can both have responsibility and not have it!! Never thought of that! Thanks for the Bible lesson!! Amazing insight you got there on the scriptures!! If I ever see my pastor friend I mentioned above I'll be sure to remind of that "logic" of yours!

 

Why did God ordain that wickedness would be allowed to take place? How might God use the rebellion of man to bring about his will? Are you and I able to answer why God does what he does? Read Romans 9. Why might God create a vessel of wrath?

We do so because God grants those living in democracies the right to do so. If a leader is chosen by the masses and we see they are not walking in step with God, we pray that God might bring them to walk in step with Him. God may or may not change the rulers heart. That is for God to decide. It is not our role.

You are welcome. Our task is to build our house on a firm foundation so that when the flood hits our house will not be destroyed. Check your Bible on these things.

Despite your mocking, you have yet to share how God is subservient to your will. Do you imagine that God is your genie to grant you your wishes at your command?

Ben, despite your objection, you are under the Sovereign rule of God. Nothing you do will ever stop God's will from being accomplished.

 

I am saying that the real racism is found just as much among the Black leadership, the liberal ones, as in White America!

 

Only people in a position of power over another person can display racism. If a Black person has power over a White person they may be racist. However, people with white skin have generally had all the power over people of color. In fact, I see white Christians fighting to maintain their place of power in society and in the church. That fight for power stems from racism.

 

Just flat out wrong. I know what you are saying, but people can be racists and not have the power to do anything to the people that are the object of their racism.

 

They can be prejudiced. They cannot be racist. Prejudice can become racist when the person has the power to act upon their prejudice toward another person with a different skin tone.
Racism is an institutional thing. Appartheid in South Africa is the best example.

 

I have read and studied this issue apart from Fox News!

Trust me, there are many "leaders" in the Black Community who are feeding to their people the concept of being still seeing just whites as being racists, that they are owned something.... There are some godle leaders though who realize that the Lord Jesus is the one to bridge racial divide and give hope to the people, as Dem keep them under the ole "slave ,mentality"

 

You have a novel definition of racism. Racism is the belief that you are superior to someone else based your race compared to their race. There's no institutionalism or authority over someone necessary in the definition.

 

Racism is not about thinking oneself superior, but rather, racism is simply not liking a person based specifically on their race.

 

Every government representative from the President, to Congressmen holding town meetings, School Boards & PTA's, to Homeowners Associations are selective on whom they elect to call upon and allow questions. That is not barring. It is selecting and often qualifying.

And FYI, our American governments are a Republic, not a Democracy.