If you are not Reformed, you cannot believe in eternal security

No but like everything else they read into what people say what they don't say, whether it's lack of understanding or lack or actually reading. I thought this forum was Christians debating, so far I haven't had one person try to debate me one on one, many personal attacks, so it's really not worth it, if they aren't serious about learning, or making a case, there is no point.

Enjoy my friend.

 

Darn you, you keep dragging me back in

I think from now on I'll just post, debate, and those who wish to just irritate I'll ignore, you are right, God's GLORY is at stake, we have Christians out there who when they make money thank themselves, not giving God the glory, if saved they think they are better, or smarter, or some third party reason in themselves as to why they are saved, neighbor lost, again ignoring God's glory in it. That's the thing that bothers me the most, after all why do we want good doctrine? To win debates? Or is it so God can be glorified through what He's done.

And when I started as Arminian I didn't purposely try to aggravate people, i pushed non-sense, but at least TRIED to debate.

If we are rich, God has done it, if we are sick, God has done it, no matter our state God has predetermined it, then you point to chapter and verse and reply is "No I did it", and your jaw falls to the ground.

Hey how do I get arid of these alerts? I've disabled all ways to contact me, yet every 5 minutes "Beep", new response.

Thanks, God bless brother.

 

Lets see you prove, biblically anything I said in the initial post, I dare you. One thing to say it, another to do it, I'll wait.

You didn't read what I wrote, why not read it ten times so you don't make those types of replies, I KNOW some are not Reformed and believe in Eternal Security, BUT THERE IS NO BASIS FOR IT, you chose to come in, so you can choose to get out, checkmate.

I'll await for you to put together a cogent argument against what I wrote, but don't misquote me again.

 

If you deny all 5 points of Calvinism, I presume that's what you meant, or did you the 5 Arminian Remonstrants? If the former, you are Arminian by definition, whether you accept it or not. I like these people who say "I'm neither', when in fact we all are one or the other.

 

Exactly. If God didn't elect you as scriptures say, then why DID you come? Was it because you were smarter? in the right place at the right time, the question is what factor is the cause of your salvation and not your neighbors? And yes you do not give God the glory, do you even know what Arminians believe? They believe is they are rich, THEY DID IT, the bible teaches riches are from the Lord. If you are sick, it's your fault or someone gave it to you, no God decreed your sickness, again robbing God of glory. That's the ONLY REASON I'm here, is because Arminians rob God of glory, for you take the credit, YOU KEEP YOURSELF, not God, oh how you rob Him of glory, but then again doesn't sound like you fully understand what you believe.

 

Has ANYONE actually read what was wrote? I never said you DON'T BELIEVE, I said YOU HAVE NO BASIS FOR THIS SECURITY. Arminians believe THEY KEEP THEMSELVES, OR THEY FALL AWAY, SO THEREFORE SINCE ITS UP TO YOU, YOU CAN LEAVE, WALK AWAY FROM THE FAITH, AND now have no assurance. So YES, you can believe it all you want, but you have no basis for it.

Only Reformed, where the bible is clear that it is GOD WHO KEEPS US, can have security.