God controls quite a lot or God controls all?

Was Babylon taking Israel into captivity an ordained act of God?

Was Assyria being stirred up to battle Israel an ordained act of God?

Was Nebachudnezzar's insanity an ordained act of God?

Was the Christ's crucifixion an ordained act of God?

Even when ppl do wicked deeds, in ways only He knows, are ordained by Him.

All He has to do was stop it, but He doesn't.

 

God’s knowledge of the future is as complete as is His knowledge of the past and the present, and that, because the future depends entirely upon Himself. Were it in anywise possible for something to occur apart from either the direct agency or permission of God, then that something would be independent of Him, and He would at once cease to be Supreme.
AW.Pink

 

No sir. my question was in response to this.........

 

Another excerpt from "The Attributes of God". Kudos!!

 

That's a where you are wrong. So, I will quote a verse I have already shown you guys more than once in these threads........
Read it this time.......
Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. The Kings of Babylon and Assyria "devised" in their own hearts to do evil things, God allowed it and God controlled what did or did not get done. He allowed them to conquer Israel and Judah. Now watch this: God then judged both Babylon and Assyria for doing it! Why? Because it was all their wicked intent.. Babylon was then conquered by Persia, Persia, conquered by Greece, Greece conquered by Rome. We all reap what we sow because it was OUR intent. Yes, God allows serial killers to do what they do too. But it is their wicked hearts that "devise their way". God judges all in the end. None will escape His wrath.

 

No, I'm not talking about whether something "occurs" or not. read what I said again please..........

Proverbs 16:9 "A man's heart deviseth his way............" God does not control what we "devise" in our hearts....

 

I posted several early in the thread, but I do not think everyone is reading them.

 

Do not switch it...if it OCCURS... it was ordained to OCCUR...I did not say anything about who devised anything.

 

God ordained Adam to sin, yet God explicitly told him not to sin?
If God "ordains" our sins, why does He hold us responsible for doing what He ordained for us to do? He tells us not to do it, but "ordained" that we do it?
To me, that's loonier than some of the looniest stuff you see in some of the worst Pentecostal churches.

 

You're the one who "switched" bro.

 

Again, who stirred up the Assyrian King's heart to fight against His own ppl? But they acted treacherously against the God of their fathers and played the harlot after the gods of the peoples of the land, whom God had destroyed before them. So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul, king of Assyria, even the spirit of Tilgath-pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away into exile, namely the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, Habor, Hara and to the river of Gozan, to this day.[1 Chronicles 5:25-26] It was after His ppl became idolators, God stirred up Israel's enemies and used them to punish His own ppl.

All of these warnings are when Israel would not obey Him...

The Lord shall cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you will go out one way against them, but you will flee seven ways before them, and you will be an example of terror to all the kingdoms of the earth. Your carcasses will be food to all birds of the sky and to the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away.[Deuteronomy 28:25-26]

You shall betroth a wife, but another man will violate her; you shall build a house, but you will not live in it; you shall plant a vineyard, but you will not use its fruit.[Deuteronomy 28:30]

The Lord will strike you on the knees and legs with sore boils, from which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.[Deuteronomy 28:35]

The Lord will bring you and your king, whom you set over you, to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone. You shall become a horror, a proverb, and a taunt among all the people where the Lord drives you.[Deuteronomy 28:36-37]

therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in the lack of all things; and He will put an iron yoke on your neck until He has destroyed you.[Deuteronomy 28:48]

Completely destroys your 'view' of God.

Nope. God was active in the Kings of Babylon and Assyria as He moved them to overtake Israel due to their continual rebellion. God does not take sin lightly.

Neither does He take lightly ppl blaspheming His name.

This anemic 'god' you guys continually post about is not found ANYWHERE in the bible. He does not bow to this mythical man's free will.

 

Why do you change the wording?
I did not say God ordained them to "do it".if you read what I posted you will discover I posted ordained it to come to pass.
Did you listen to the sermons I posted the other day?
It seems as if you have not gotten around to it.

 

Can you define to me exactly what you mean by "ordain"? I think we must be using different definitions.

 

Word games. Ordained to do or ordained to happen; no practical difference.

 

You're catching on to the Calvinist word games. Get ready for a long dissertation on the difference between "decree" and "ordain" as well as "decretive will" and "permissive will". Honestly, you will need a flow chart to keep up.

Just another in a long line of Calvinist redefinitions. You know, where "the world" actually means "the elect". Where "whosoever" means "the elect". "All" = "the elect."

Where "God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" was addressed to the elect.

Where "faith" is a gift that God gives you after he gives you the gift of regeneration, which you couldn't have resisted anyway.
Where "faith" is a work that brings pride to the Arminian.

 

Well, I have to admit; you did just stir me up and whenever that happens I always run to the Word of God.........2Pe 3:1
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
Did Peter get inside their heads and make them remember? or make them do anything at all? Of course not. God does not "devise your way" or mine. He "stirs us up" in various ways but He lets us make up our own minds as to what our intentions are.
I will reiterate. The Holy Spirit, the "Comforter" deals with men's hearts about "sin, righteousness, and judgement". In other words; you're a lowdown, hateful, vile and wicked sinner, and the finished work of God's perfect, Holy, sinless, spotless and loving Son on Calvary is your only hope of escaping Hell for all eternity. That's what He did with Felix and Felix was so shook up he "trembled" the Bible says, but Felix chose to "put it off". It's as plain as day in God's word, sir. And my God WILL put everyone who rejects His only begotten Son in Hell. Does that still sound "anemic" to you? God is Love, sir, and He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Just believe on His Son: that's all He asks, or suffer the consequences.

 

When the Jack the Ripper does his sin, is that caused by God or not?