Featured Acts 13:48

We have TC spouting nonsense yet again. Did I mistranslate Matthew 28:16? Nope. Did I parse tasso in Matthew 28:16? Nope

Does the NET (Dr. Dan Wallace being a Greek scholar) translate Matthew 28:16 as designated? Yes
Does the ESV translate it as directed? Yes
Does the HCSB translate it as directed? Yes

But on and on he spouts, you are wrong, taint so and so forth.

Returning to topic, Acts 13:48, where I said "as many as" were directed to eternal life by Paul's gospel presentation. This view is grammatically correct, there is nothing, repeat nothing in Greek grammar or Greek lexiconal word meanings, that precludes this translation choice.

Pay no attention to the misinformed as they try to change the subject.

 

Here we have exegetical nonsense, stating that scripture should be view as being consistent with our preconceptions and presuppositions.

Did Paul present the gospel to the Gentiles? Yes.
Did some of the Gentiles believe? Yes
Contextual translation - as many as were directed to eternal life believed.

Pay no attention to all the insults, bogus theology and misinformation provided by the agenda driven folks.

 

1) Matthew 28:16 with the NASB translating it as "designated." Here the idea is the disciples went to the location designated by Jesus. Thus they took the direction.

2) Acts of the Apostles 13:48 with the NASB translating it as "appointed." Here the idea is some of the Gentiles that heard the gospel's direction to eternal life from Paul believed.

3) Acts of the Apostles 15:2 with the NASB translating it as "determined." Here the idea is a group agreed upon sending Paul. Obviously Paul mutually agreed to go, he took the direction.

4) Acts of the Apostles 22:10 with the NASB translating it as "appointed." Here Jesus tells Paul to go and and learn what Paul has been directed to do. And again, Paul agrees and goes and learns.

5) Acts of the Apostles 28:23 with the NASB translating it as "set." Here a group had "set" a day for Paul and thus once again they mutually agreed to accept the direction to meet on that day.

6) Romans 13:1 with the NASB translating it as "established." Here the idea is God directed that governmental authority for the benefit of the governed.

7) 1 Corinthians 16:15 with the NASB translating it as "devoted." Here the idea is that the a group has set themselves to the task of ministry, yet another mutually agreed upon direction.

As you can see, tasso means to agree mutually, as in to believe in accordance with the gospel's direction to eternal life.

But as many as were directed to eternal life believed

 

Laught out loud, I provided designated and you indicated that showed a lack of knowledge. Then I showed Dr. Wallace used designated, and everything is fine. On and on folks, one false charge after another.

Has TC explained why designated is a middle voice verb and not also a passive voice verb? Nope. Look at Acts 22:10 where the NET uses designated for a passive verb. So designated can translate either a middle voice or a passive voice.

But as many as were directed to eternal life believed.

Take it to the bank folks, directed best translates Acts 13:48, grammatically, contextually, and correctly.

 

He was born anew when God made the jailer alive in Christ. The jailer did not do it himself. It's amazing when God graciously gives us the faith to believe.
It's too bad you think you can generate that kind of faith by your own power.

 

preceptaustin;
(1.) The word is never used to denote an internal disposition or inclination arising from one's own self. It does not mean that they disposed themselves to embrace eternal life.

(2.) It has uniformly the notion of an ordering, disposing, or arrangement from without, i.e., from some other source than the individual himself; as of a soldier, who is arranged or classified according to the will of the proper officer. In relation to these persons it means, therefore, that they were disposed or inclined to this from some other source than themselves.

(3.) It does not properly refer to an eternal decree, or directly to the doctrine of election; though that may be inferred from it; but it refers to their being THEN IN FACT disposed to embrace eternal life. They were then inclined by an influence from without themselves, or so disposed as to embrace eternal life. It refers not to an eternal decree, but that then there was such an influence as to dispose them, or incline them, to lay hold on salvation. That this was done by the influence of the Holy Spirit, is clear from all parts of the New Testament, Titus 3:5,6; John 1:13. It was not a disposition or arrangement originating with themselves, but with God.

(4.) This implies the doctrine of election. It was in fact that doctrine expressed. It was nothing but God's disposing them to embrace eternal life. And that he does this according to a plan in his own mind--a plan which is unchangeable as God himself is unchangeable--is clear from the Scriptures. Comp. Acts 18:10; Romans 8:28-30; 9:15,16,21,23 Ephesians 1:4,5,11. The meaning may be expressed in few words:-- who were THEN disposed, and in good earnest determined, to embrace eternal life, by the operation of the grace of God on their hearts.

 

Anyone can make up stuff by reading irresistible grace into Acts 13:48, but it is no where to be found in the text. No need to ignore the actual text. Or ignore the lexiconal word meaning. Or ignore how the word is sometimes translated. Verse 46 tells us that some Jews rejected the gospel's direction to eternal life. In verse 48 we see some Gentiles were influenced (acted upon) by Paul's gospel direction to eternal life, and therefore they believed. Supernatural enablement is no where to be found.

 

Wrong again ....salvation is a supernatural work of the Spirit of God....you cannot welcome it at this point in time.

 

Thank you.

Brother @TCassidy thoroughly debunked this in one of his splendid posts.

And those terms were met in the Christ. And those who He died for, all of those terms are then applied to us via imputation.

Uhhhh, you are misapplying Romans 12:3. Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.[Romans 12:1-3] The context of this passage is directed to believers and these believers have be allotted the measure of faith.

If one has faith, they are saved. Faith is not a choice, neither does anyone choose to have faith. God gifts it to fallen man via regeneration. If one has faith, they are saved. They don't choose to have faith, and then are saved.

Ppl freely choose every day. But none chooses Him. The bible clearly states in in Psalm 14 and Romans 3. And those who are told to 'choose life' are those who were a covenant ppl to God.



I will address the rest later.

 

And to draw means to literally drag off. Granted, it doesn't mean He drags us kicking and screaming against our wills, but He effectually draws us. IOW, those He draw WILL come to Him. John 6:37 can't be any clearer stated.

How'd I know you would throw in Romans 1:20 for your support? That verse speaks to man's eternal ruin outside of the Christ. It does not support everybody hearing the gospel.

So, God gets the word to them somehow? Somehow?!?!?!?!? So, if no one can get there to witness to them with the gospel before they die, God will violate His own word and get the word to them somehow? That's why debating with you guys makes it hard to stay engaged in these debates. But if not for others reading your beliefs without them going challenged, I would leave you guys alone.

There is no somehow to how God gets the word, the gospel to them.

How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!” However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.[Romans 10:14-16]


For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.[1 Corinthians 1:21]

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,[Ephesians 1:13]

God does not get them the word somehow, but through the preaching/witnessing of the gospel. Faith comes by hearing the word of Christ. This hearing is not through mystical means, but through the words of a believer.

 

Is Van having another bout with his persecution complex?

Poor wittle fang...

 

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But as many as were directed to eternal life believed.

Take it to the bank folks, directed best translates Acts 13:48, grammatically, contextually, and correctly.

No it does not.....the apostles directed everyone to believe and not everyone believed.....as many as were ordained to eternal life did believe.