Featured Reasons for the 2nd Coming of Christ

And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. “So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
“Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. Acts 15:7,8,14 NJJV

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:4,5 KJV

Are the we and us of Eph the same as the them and us of Acts 15? A people for the name of God?

Eph 1:9 KJV Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Acts 15:16 states; After this, I will return. Is this the second coming? I believe it to be, so.

What will take place? Tabernacle of David to be set up. And then? Made known unto us.

Acts 15:17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the LORD who does all these things.’[fn]

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Just what is the purpose of his coming? 70 AD?

 

Judgement on those who crucified Him.

Or was it the father?

• Matthew 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
• 34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
• 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
• 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
• 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
• 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
• 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
• 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
• 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
• 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
• 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
• 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
• 45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

Exactly what David Said. Judgment.

The bible was written not to us first. Think about how it would be thought of to them. Im sure none of them were thinking anything was to happen 2000 years from when Jesus was speaking.

I am not a full preterist, although, I do enjoy the argument from them. I do see a final Judgment happening, but I could be convinced that AD 70 fulfilled all things. Asterisktom I do want to talk to you once you get more time.

as of now I see Jesus of having the kingdom now, until everything is under his feet, and then a final Judgment, and thats the purpose of the "coming of Jesus in final judgement"

What would not convince me is everything being thrown into the future.

The people there at that time cared about old covenant Israel and the persecution from them! not us living in the 21st century. Its still a 1st century document written to 1st century people.
It still has relevance to us, the prophecy of the 1st coming is past but still means something even to us.

Matthew 16:28 Truly I say to you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

I think I will go with, The Father.

 

Actually I think He sent, Titus just as He sent, Nebuchadnezzar.

I do not think the Son of Man came in the clouds, that year.

 

Yes the army against Jerusalem was the "coming".

Isaiah 19:1
God rides a swift cloud.

Now God didn't literally do that either.

 

John you put something in this post that I believe to be the most overlooked.

So much good related to all of mankind.

The elect are elected for the purpose of God, relative to the earthly rule of Jesus Christ and their ruling with him, relative to all of mankind.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Rom 8:23

? Will the redemption of the body, take place at the moment of, the coming of the Lord and will that be at the reality,fulfillment, of the shadow, the feast of turmpets?

Will the deceiver, the devil, at that time be unable to deceive and will mankind then begin to, Know the Lord and or as Paul put it, be Known by the Lord?

What is the purpose of the coming of the Lord? Kings and priests? Of what? What do priests do?

 

It is actually possible to focus so much on the Greek (or the Hebrew) that one loses sight of the big picture. Not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

I am sorry that I only have a little time for short comments here and there. But might I suggest that "body", being in the singular (as it often is in the NT) refers to the corporate body per Eph. 4:4-6.

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

 

I don't take seriously anything you say. Not after your imagining that preterism is docetism "raising it's ugly head" (words to that effect).

 

What is your thinking of the last three words in the quoted verse?

I heard a preacher who waxed long about how the words meant that every person and thing would become as Eden with God “all (and) in all.”

Then i’ve heard it presented that the submission of Christ to the Father exalts The Father as the God (of) all (and) in (in authority over) all.

In my own thinking, because the presentation of Christ as both the total subjugator of all nature, all political, all Spiritual, all ..., then it follows that the submission to the Father is that of bringing honor and recognition of authority over “all in all” no matter what the “all.”

That hasn’t taken place, but will.

To me that is the most comforting blessing of the promised 2nd coming! God will be seen by all as the absolute authority and control of all.

 

Is it not a docetism in the thinking that there was a “spiritual” return in 70 AD?

Is not the basic question of Christ having or not having a body, or in some manner can be separated from the body, a concern of the docetism?

I realize that much more of that thinking includes other aspects as far as his earthly form being spiritual and only appeared physical.

But as it concerns 70 AD, would it not be considered?