Still no facts supporting preterism!

I agree it was in the sky above Jerusalem. The elect who were on/in the earth were gathered to Christ in the sky and then taken to heaven. The Bible uses the figurative language "on the clouds of heaven". It is the same event recorded in 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17. Read 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17 and then read Matthew 24 30-31. It's the exact same event. It occurred near AD70. Matthew 24:34 says: 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Jesus could not be more clear that the events He was describing would all happen before the generation he was speaking to would pass away. Matthew 16:28 confirms this. Luke 21:20 identifies the abomination of desolation as having to do with the Roman army that surrounded Jerusalem in 70AD. The parable mentioned in Matthew 24 verses 40 & 41 mentions people in the field, 1 taken and the other left etc.If this is Christ coming to earth to set up the "earthly kingdom" why is there rapture language in there?

 

Read all about it here: The Abomination that Causes Desolation Explained - Revelation Revolution

 

Glad you edited that!

 

Oh wow, the others were dead?

Show me the word antichrist in Revelation.

Its the same verse wrote by two different men meaning the same thing. Do you know what parallelism is?

I dont read the bible "according" to robycop3, Thinking the moon will actually bleed.

Oh it has been proven? I must of missed class that day teacher.

They have since medieval times.

So what if they do?
show me where the third temple is in the bible. One verse, that mentions the third one.

 

There are some web sites that I reference in which I don't agree with every bit of information contained within. I mentioned that in a previous post. I think the author of Revelation Revolution did a fantastic job putting the historical information together to show past fulfillment of eschatology although some things may not be 100% accurate. I don't believe Titus is apart of the "beast from the earth"(greek- ge)which is probably more accurately translated "beast of the land"(of pre-70AD Israel). I do believe Titus is apart of the sea beast which is Rome from Julius Caesar to Vespasian represented by the ten crowned horns. Titus was a prince in 70AD... both a general and a prince when his father Vespasian became Roman emperor in AD69 Vespasian | Roman emperor . The sea beast of Revelation is equivalent to the 4th beast of Daniel 7 which according to verse 3 rises up out of the sea representing foreign nations from Israel's perspective. Looking at Judea politically shortly before AD70 there was a faction that benefited from Roman rule. From here on, instead of posting links to certain web pages, I'm going to quote from the web sites the items that I believe are accurate. So here is a quote from a friend of mine who has done an extensive bit of research concerning the beast from the earth in Rev. 13:

represents the combination of Israel's religious and political leadership, rising out of the earth (GE - the land of Israel in particular - not the world at large). Another title for this Land Beast is the "False Prophet", since they believed their function was to identify and prepare the way for Israel's prophesied Messiah-King. This, they presumed, would restore them as a world power similar to the glory of King David and Solomon's days. This explains the Pharisees sending a delegation of Levites and priests to John to inquire if he was this very fulfillment of the Messiah foretold by Daniel 9's 70-week prophecy. The time was right by their computations, and they were expecting His imminent arrival on the scene.

This Land Beast had only two small horns, representing the two major religious sects prevalent at that time - the Pharisees and Sadducees. And it spoke deceptively, like the dragon. We have instances of Christ directly calling these religious leaders in His day liars, as their father, the devil, was a liar. Bringing out false witnesses at Christ's trial was just one more example of the same deceptive practices.

To preserve the level of financial and political power they had under Roman supervision, the Land Beast labored to enforce Judean submission to the Roman Sea Beast. They had a vested interest in placating Roman authority, since that insured the continued flow of riches into their own coffers. The fire called down from heaven by this beast is a picture of their officiating over the fire of God on the temple's altar of sacrifices. And they did their utmost to ensure that Jerusalem and Judea kept the Peace with Rome so that "their place and their nation" would be preserved, as Caiphas wished. "We have no king but Caesar", is a clear indication that their allegiance lay with the "Sea Beast".

One outward visible symbol of this submission to Rome, imposed on all Jews, was the use of the silver Tyrian shekel required for paying the annual temple tax and for all purchased temple offerings. This silver coin was stamped with the image of the demi-god Herakles with the Roman eagle on the reverse side, and the inscribed initials "KP", standing for "Kratos Romaion" - "power of the Romans". Even though the pagan image on it was an abomination in God's temple, for the sake of the purity of this coin's silver content, it was the only accepted currency the priesthood would allow for temple transactions. Hence, the lucrative, corrupt practices of the money-changers profiting from this literal part of the mark of the beast.

We have examples in the gospels of the Land Beast and the Sea Beast working in collaboration. At Christ's trial, Pontius Pilate curried favor with Herod by passing Christ over to him for examination, since Christ belonged to Herod's jurisdiction of Galilee. They became friends that day, as Luke 23:12 says. In Acts 24:27, the Roman governor Felix, "willing to show the Jews a pleasure", leaves Paul bound as Felix's term of office expires. His replacement, governor Festus is also "willing to do the Jews a pleasure" by suggesting that Paul go on trial at Jerusalem.

 

There was a temple, & the daily sacrifices were stopped.

Neither you, nor I, were in Jerusalem when the destruction took place. There is no inspired record of those events, just inspired prophecy.

If you were to believe the Scriptures you wouldn't write the way you do.

 

And this is why your credibility to me is that of an empty salt shaker.
When you start calling people you don't understand charlatans.

 

WHERE IS THE PROOF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN? WHERE YOU THERE?

THE THIRD TEMPLE IS AS PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE AND A CHEVY MUSTANG.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT FUTURISM IS PHONY. YOU CAN NOT PROVE THE THIRD TEMPLE OR THE AOD.

This is how you sound, And you expect us to listen to you?

 

Salt shaker

 

According to robycop3?

 

Regarding the "abomination of desolation", I am going to provide a link to Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Ch. 5. This is not from a "biased" preterist web site. Eusebius was a 4th century Christian pioneer. Eusebius connected the abomination of desolation with the destruction of the temple in 70AD. Click on Book III and then Chapter 5 http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0265-0339,_Eusebius_Caesariensis,_Church_History,_EN.pdf

Here is the quote:

But the number of calamities which every where fell
upon the nation at that time; the extreme misfortunes to which the
inhabitants of Judea were especially subjected, the thousands of
men, as well as women and children, that perished by the sword, by
famine, and by other forms of death innumerable, all these things, as
well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the
cities of Judea, and the excessive sufferings endured by those that
fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the
general course of the whole war, as well as its particular
occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation,
proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so
celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and
final destruction by fire, all these things any one that wishes may
find accurately described in the history written by Josephus.

Historical evidence from an unbiased source.