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Is man restricted to his own Nature?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MB, Dec 1, 2017.

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  1. thatbrian

    thatbrian Well-Known Member
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    Yes. God saves people every day.

    God enables men to come (See John 6:44)

    Firstly, Aare you aware that only 3-6% of the people who "go forward" in a crusade like that are any different in theology or behavior, one year later?

    Secondly, people are saved at these events are saved by the preached word.
     
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    You've enjoyed a lifetime of causing trouble, haven't you? LOL
     
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    not an act of conscience but an act initiated by the Holy Spirit called conviction, reproval (Grk. root elegcho)
    It is outside of man's control because of the effect of Original Sin (Romans 5:12).

    If one is non-calvinist logically then (or so it would seem) every human being would of necessity have to be convicted of sin for God to be righteous, giving each the knowledge of their helpless, hopeless and desperate condition

    Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    followed by an opportunity and the gift of the power to make a choice .Of course God already knows what choice (He knew in eternity) will be made, but to fulfill all righteousness He makes a "middle voice" offer similar to this model

    Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    To each man at a level of what you call conscience:

    John 16
    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    John 1
    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
    7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
    8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
    9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    Notice of course verse 13 that it was God's will all along which you either put your stamp of approval on or not and go your merry way..

    John1
    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    HankD (not a fly :))
     
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    Do you hold to there being an historical Fall, by which all born afterwards were born as sinners?
     
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    Well I think calling folks totally depraved and deserving of going to hell just about pinnacles the uncharitable assault of a person's character.

    You are by definition the worst insulting person here! To tell other people they deserve hell, are no good, and they deserve to actively sin against God for eternity.
     
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    Ohhh, I don’t like that theology... not in the least.
     
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    You have read where in Isaiah God compares our very best good works as being filthy rages before Him?
    That ALL are already condemned as being found in Adam as sinners, correct?
    Trust me i this, that none of us were worth jesus death in our place, as we have nothing that merited any favor from God, that is why its called grace!
     
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    Problem is, that some "Calvinists/Reformed", are more interested in "doctrine" than what the Bible actually teaches. And, even when shown to be wrong from Scripture, still try to wriggle their way out or around the Truth!
     
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    RM has spoken.....it cannot be otherwise...he has declared a BB fatwa:Cautious
     
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    Defining doctrines now are you:Laugh
     
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    Yea...isn’t he precious :D
     
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    The Holy Bible teaches that TD is indeed FALSE!
     
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    SBG, I HATE labels. A precious few are necessary IMO e.g. Trinitarian.

    Personally I refuse to be identified by being tagged with a mortal man's name (usually a dead mortal man - physically I mean).

    HankD
     
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  15. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Show me
     
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    Your argument is not with Katarina, it is with Scripture that clearly, and unequivocally, teaches that the sinner is fallen and totally depraved in thought and deed, and as a consequence of that fallen nature faces an eternity apart from God in hell. I would provide the scriptures that have been cited previously but it's folly to do so because you will not read or interact with them in an honest manner.

    P.S. Edited to correct grammar.
     
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    read #30 for starters...
     
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    And if I wasn’t totally depraved, what do I need Jesus for? I can save myself then, any time I want
     
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    NO the Bible does NOT say what you assume it does! It is warped "Reformed/Calvinistic" teaching that promotes this complete nonsense! These "systems" actually make God to be the author of sin, and make Him a monster who sends people to hell, when the Bible very clearly says, "I take NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked", as do some!
     
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  20. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Again, if I can save myself then why do I need Jesus?
     
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