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Is God Sovereign?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Nov 25, 2017.

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    These days, I’m not sure I’m buying that.
    Perhaps it’s a crisis of faith
     
    #81 Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 4, 2017
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    Think about the early Christians who were slaughtered for sport in the Roman circus theaters, fed to lions, crucified, pulled apart, chopped up and they died singing.

    Then later the religious church folk took their turn in the Crusades, the Roman and Spanish Inquisitions, the slaughter of the Huguenots, the Waldensians, Saint Bartholomew Day massacre, etc... ad nauseum.

    A horror show beyond belief. We have it easy (so far).

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    And I’m thinking they are fools
     
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    How?

    Perhaps they might have taken Christ's advice - be wise as serpents but harmless as doves?

    Interpreted as - hide your Christianity but do no harm to anyone in so doing?


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    They got killed... intelligent people rarely get killed. They live to fight another day.
     
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    That's easy to disprove.

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    Then by all means, be my guest.
     
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    No.
    its useless and fruitless to do so.

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    IE, you dont have a coherent answer. But via your answer a few posts ago, "its easy to disprove" .....I get it. You dont believe your own words.
     
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    you just proved my point.

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    Still cant answer your own commentary ....your point must be on the top of your head.
     
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    How many options do spiritual deaf/dumb, and blind sinners have?
     
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    One.
     
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    Which would be?
     
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    Actually, it's not an option. They can, and will, only remain as they are.
     
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    One, come to Christ via the power of the gospel Romans 1:16, 10:17
     
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    NO options!

    Unless God calls someone they will not believe.
     
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    If I put that in different terms, they might be: Jesus saves.
     
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    Really! This country is a Sovereign nation yet it does not control every thing. Sovereign is not in scripture because God is all powerful which means He does what He wishes to do dispite what men think do or say.

    Soveregin
    1. Supreme in power; possessing supreme dominion; as a sovereign ruler of the universe.
    The Calvinist says Nothing happens in God's universe that he did not cause. Making God into a puppeteer.

    There is nothing God cannot do including allowing men to choose Him also.
    He also allows us to choose Him. God can do as He wishes.
    MB
     
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    Apparently He can't, at least according to your theology.

    God wants (wishes) all people to be saved. But all people don't get saved. So, according to your theology, He can't seem to bring it off, He can't do as He wishes. His wishes are overruled by man's wishes.
     
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