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But shouldn't we interpret the Bible spiritually instead of literally?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, Dec 18, 2017.

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  1. agedman

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    There is no “hordes of evil,” men. But fallen men who must submit to the rule of Christ, for any rebelliousness is immediately and thoroughly resolved. Hence the term applied to that rule as being with “a rod of iron.”

    Perhaps you can show how this current age can be compared to that which the statements of Scripture present.

    Are there not islands and mountains, is Jerusalem a sea port, where is the Ezekiel temple that has no gentle or women’s court, ...
     
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    Yes . This I tried to offer earlier as a link to the first Exodus.
     
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    Sinners sin every day...so how do you see the rod of iron rule actually operating?
     
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    If Jesus wanted it to. He made a donkey talk WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

    See my above response.

    Whatever kind of chain it'll be, it'll hold Satan.
     
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    Hab 2:11 The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

    Luke 19:40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

    Or as John warned:
    Mat 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
     
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    I agree with you here....in fact Jesus could just appear on a horse....it would not bother me.

    There could be a literal dragon, or ten headed beast.....
    Or they could represent literal governments or rulers..that is part of this discussion.
    He could have a literal sword coming out of His mouth, or it could be a symbol of His word as in Heb4
     
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    agedman,
    ][I find it very strange that there is a desire to "spiritualize" rather than to seek the actuality of the last day fulfillments.

    Why is there some great avoidance and actual psychological hindrance in embracing a literal millennium, a literal return of Christ as the Scriptures clearly teach?]
    Hello AG.

    I do not think it is a desire to spiritualise...as much as a desire to rightly divide the word of truth. Some look at it differently, yet all claim literal truth.


    [The early church taught a literal physical time in which Christ would rule this whole world.

    What changed?]

    One time I read that they thought Jesus would return in a literal thousand years....so when 1034 came and went, they took another look at it.
     
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    ="John of Japan,

    [Okay. Typology. The literal method recognizes typology, only we would say Moses is the type, not the exodus. What's the relevance here?]
    YOUR answer was to say I am mocking
    And that angels have a bodily presence...it was a response more than an answer.....you say a physical body.....scripture says there is a physical body, there is a spiritual body also....angels are ministering spirits.....
     
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    Yes TC I could admit the colorful metaphor I used was a bit on the crude side but it was designed to get your attention. Out here on the road and among truck drivers that metaphor is immediately understood as suggesting that the person who you're directing it to woke up on the wrong side of the bed or has stones in his shoe or whatever of the polite metaphor you would prefer but
    out here everyone knows exactly what it means.
    I think your ad hominem attack towards me was unprovoked and that's what I find pathetic and ridiculous
    . You might not agree with what I offer and you might think it makes no sense or no one pays attention to it so that's fine I like your post for the most part although I don't always agree but you know you're welcome to your opinion.
    when you and John can't seem to offer a solid enough answer you accuse the other person of mockery or make a personal attack .
    that's something I've noticed .for the most part I'm supportive a lot of what you post but I can't support this behavior that you exhibit to some of us who don't agree with your point of view
    . to explore the metaphors the symbols the types in a way that's different than what you and John think of truth I think they're both legitimate they think this been many people and many in history have done the very same thing that you are calling pathetic of ridiculous.
     
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    Terms have meanings. I said, literalistically.
     
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    [Insult edited]

    My comments are generalizations, of course. I can't argue against every nuance of dispensationalism. I argue against what I see in this errant movement.

    The logical implication of a dispensational view is that one should ignore the OT. Surely, if you are are an honest man, you will agree. A past dispensation means little (nothing) because it's irrelevant.
     
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    Im not mocking anything. If he did, [Mockery edited] Its not mockery.

    You said you have no patience for preterism and do not think to highly of it, but when I said something about the literalness of a verse, i'm mocking it?

    Yes white horses are very nice, nobody said it wasn't normal.
     
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    That was just a robycop3 response. I enjoy his replies.

    Do you know how AT Robertson explained it? If the repetitiveness was clear literalness, why was he so mistaken?

    When I came on here, I had no position on the Millennium. I always was a PreMill because it was the only thing I have ever heard of... I am learning a lot thanks to the wonderful friends I have found on here. This site is truly a blessing.
    The only thing I was sure of was the Discourse...
     
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    Because we think the white horse is symbolic?
    Jesus's rightful honor and glory does not depend on him riding a literal white horse.

    We believe he is sitting on the Throne of David now, Reigning in his kingdom (the Church) Until the day of Judgment.
    Millennialists are waiting for his reign during a future millennium, during a time where the temple system is brought back.

    In this situation I do not believe its us who is denying Christ of anything.
     
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    No.

    I know.
     
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    Did your grandfather wear bloody clothes and a stack of hats, too?

    I think the actuality will be more glorious and terrifying than can be imagined. An actual white horse would be an abasement, like if He returned to dwell in a temple made with hands.
     
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    I thought the symbolism of the white horse was unmistakable, even when I was a Dispy. I am utterly surprised that anyone actually thinks Christ will be riding a white horse out of Heaven.
     
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    If someone, who takes a "literal" approach, mind you, could get Apache Helicopters from this passage, then the white horse is not too bad:

    The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.​
     
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    Those are not prophecies.
     
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