God wants all men to be saved

All this does not apply to the OP quote of Peter.

Unless you can prove that Peter was not addressing the issue of why the Lord's return was delayed, then ranting off in the pursuit of a rabid is not the quality of a good hound dog. (taken from an illustration used by Dr. Bob Jones, Sr.).

Should you want to grind into the other aspects of what you posted then by all means, start another thread.

But this thread is specific to Peter's statement, is it not?

And to that end, there is no other proper rendering then that which follows the pronouns which places the delay as allowing for those elect who have yet to hear the gospel, have yet to respond to the work of the Holy Spirit in their life to have that time God appoints for them. Therefore, the delay as Peter states and the why of the delay as Peter states.

Peter does not make the lost the "us." As I explained in an earlier post.

 

You hold that Jesus purchased salvation for sinners still in hell than?

 

Perhaps you do not consider that people have freedom of the fallen will to choose all that is within the nature of the fallen.

The dirty tail of a dog wagging against the clean sheets hanging out to dry on the clothes line does not make the dog clean, nor the sheets clean.

There is NO ability of the unrighteous to choose that which is righteous.

That some desire such ability and would attempt to conform Scriptures into such ability is not making such ability available to the fallen heathen who "have all gone astray," and "no one seeks God."

 

Everyone had a real offer to get saved, but those who are not elected unto salvation will exercise their "free will" to keep on rejecting Christ!

 

Those elected by God...are born children of wrath...even as others.....There are still more elect persons to be saved...there are more to be born...so God is longsuffering putting up with the wicked until the fullness of the elect are saved

 

The Gospel by itself can save no sinner, for the Holy Spirit has to enable them to believe it and get saved!

 

Notice here, RM does not think the Spirit has to do the supernatural...man has full ability in RM's presentation.

 

You miss the whole passage...Agedman put it out well.

 

free will...nowhere found in the bible...nowhere...

 

I think even the false Church of Rome denounced that view!

 

In your Bible perhaps...

 

what rubbish! this is NOT what this passage says, you are twisting Scripture to suite your theology!

 

Can anyone have real free will other than God?

 

Actually, he is giving its intended meaning!

 

No, for all who reject Jesus and stay lost have a real offer, as they are doing what they "freely want to do"

 

You, nor any other who believe your "theology" has dealt with the FACT, that Luke 22 shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, who is not in heaven. Now, show this to be wrong?

 

No, this is theological bias, and not what the Bible says. Again I say, WHY would God not be willing that any of the elect are lost, when indeed they CANNOT? This whole verse is nonsense if limited to them.