God wants all men to be saved

[agedman]

Everyone has a sin nature.

Absolutely, including the redeemed.

The difference between those believers and those unbelievers is that believers also have a new nature which battles against the nature of the flesh.

That is where the preaching of the gospel comes in. The gospel itself has the power unto salvation. Faith comes from hearing the gospel preached. The gospel alone draws us to God.

Almost.

God draws, and uses the Scriptures to instill faith.

The church takes the gospel to the lost world who does not seek God. There the preaching of the gospel has the power unto salvation.

Again, the preaching is the power of God unto salvation, but the draw to hear and to understand resides with God who gives the ears to understand and changes the core (heart) to accept. This is presented (as shown in another post) in Hebrews restatement of the promise given through the prophet Ezekiel.
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In another place it states that not all have ears to hear, but that those who do are to listen with understanding and results.

 

[Iconoclast]

"Revmitchell,

I hold that the grace and salvation is freely offered to everyone not just the elect.

Everyone believes this...

Everyone has the ability to accept it or reject it.

Mitchell again plainly denies the fall and its lasting effects on all men right here.When you start with a man centered faulty theology you cannot come to truth.

Everyone who accepts it

So here he continues on in his error with his unbiblical language of man accepting something....

will be "in Him"

Here now...he claims man puts himself in Christ...God has nothing to do with RM's false gospel.

"born again" and will be raised up on the last day

The cart now is before the horse...

. I hold that God draws everyone by the preaching of the gospel but not all that are drawn will receive His offer of grace.

Here he confesses his error....

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

All this does not apply to the OP quote of Peter.

Unless you can prove that Peter was not addressing the issue of why the Lord's return was delayed, then ranting off in the pursuit of a rabid is not the quality of a good hound dog. (taken from an illustration used by Dr. Bob Jones, Sr.).

Should you want to grind into the other aspects of what you posted then by all means, start another thread.

But this thread is specific to Peter's statement, is it not?

And to that end, there is no other proper rendering then that which follows the pronouns which places the delay as allowing for those elect who have yet to hear the gospel, have yet to respond to the work of the Holy Spirit in their life to have that time God appoints for them. Therefore, the delay as Peter states and the why of the delay as Peter states.

Peter does not make the lost the "us." As I explained in an earlier post.

Sure, WHY would God, through Peter state that He is not willing for those, who CANNOT be lost, not to be lost, but waits patiently for these who cannot be lost, to repent? This is nonsense!

 

[Iconoclast]

No, this is theological bias, and not what the Bible says. Again I say, WHY would God not be willing that any of the elect are lost, when indeed they CANNOT? This whole verse is nonsense if limited to them.

God has decreed destined and purposed that none would be lost here....not one.

 

[agedman]

You, nor any other who believe your "theology" has dealt with the FACT, that Luke 22 shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, who is not in heaven. Now, show this to be wrong?

This is a mere distraction with the unconscious agenda to find something right among all that was posted in error concerning the OP.

Luke 22 has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Iconoclast]

In your Bible perhaps...

Show it big guy.....do you have a verse? 17 times the term free will is used ...everytime in reference to offerings that were not commanded by law....
never is the term used of fallen mans nature, or will...not once, never...show your verses if you have them......you do not...verses on choose,do not address the will....so show in the bible where free will even exists...

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

This is a mere distraction with the unconscious agenda to find something right among all that was posted in error concerning the OP.

Luke 22 has nothing to do with the topic.

Yes it most certainly does, as it shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, as part of the entire human race, whom He is not willing to perish.

 

[Iconoclast]

what rubbish! this is NOT what this passage says, you are twisting Scripture to suite your theology!

what rubbish! this is NOT what this passage says, you are twisting Scripture to suite your theology!

Scripture is not rubbish my misguided friend, read and learn;
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Here is Paul on longsuffering once again;
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rubbish indeed my man centered friend....

 

[Iconoclast]

Yes it most certainly does, as it shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, as part of the entire human race, whom He is not willing to perish.

you describe a god who's will does not get done....

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Show it big guy.....do you have a verse? 17 times the term free will is used ...everytime in reference to offerings that were not commanded by law....
never is the term used of fallen mans nature, or will...not once, never...show your verses if you have them......you do not...verses on choose,do not address the will....so show in the bible where free will even exists...

Here is a very good example:

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)

The Greek is that they "are not willing", not that "they could not will" because of some external force like their will being "bound" by God!

Who was Jesus here speaking to? the Jews that wanted to murder Him, "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him" (verse 18). To these same Jews Jesus says, "I say these things so that YOU may be saved" (verse 33)! Clearly Jesus tells these Jews who were persecuting Him (verse 16), and wanted to MURDER Him, that He WANTED THEM SAVED! These are the words of God Incarnate, not some theologian with some warped doctrine! Deal with this.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

you describe a god who's will does not get done....

Your THEOLOGY prevents you seeing what the Bible says! I have shown from John chapter 5 Jesus own words about His Death. Deal with this if you can!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, this is theological bias, and not what the Bible says. Again I say, WHY would God not be willing that any of the elect are lost, when indeed they CANNOT? This whole verse is nonsense if limited to them.

Again, God is speaking towards all of them yet to get saved, His elect, for IF Jesus had returned back at that time, no saved going forward!

 

[Felipe Rios]

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God does not want just some men but all men to be saved. This scripture is clear and it is a lie straight from the pit of hell that says God does not want all men to be saved but only some men of all nations.

The Calvinists will have all sorts of explanations for this verse lol

 

[Iconoclast]

Yes it most certainly does, as it shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, as part of the entire human race, whom He is not willing to perish.

The fact that many sinners perish shows God is very willing that they perish..

 

[Yeshua1]

The Calvinists will have all sorts of explanations for this verse lol

IF God wanted to save all men, why not just do that?

 

[Iconoclast]

The Calvinists will have all sorts of explanations for this verse lol

Yes...these wicked calvinists actually seek to understand the whole chapter....

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

The fact that many sinners perish shows God is very willing that they perish..

" They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved. For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false, so that all will be condemned  — those who did not believes the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

 

[Jerome]

This is His wondrous love towards the human race, that He desires all men to be saved!

 

[Felipe Rios]

IF God wanted to save all men, why not just do that?

Because not all men desire to be saved

 

[Felipe Rios]

Yes...these wicked calvinists actually seek to understand the whole chapter....

So do the wicked non-Calvinists.