of course...you have no response to him or any like him...where is your big jn 5 post? still waiting for your freewill verses,lol
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Saved-By-Grace
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Interesting that his book on the Sovereignty of God has two editions, one by Banner of Truth in the UK, and the other printed in the USA. If I remember correctly, one of the editions was modified because it was found to be over-the-top on Predestination... Says a lot about Calvinism!
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I responded already # 70
My apologies, I posted a response to a wrong thread.
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exactly....the natural men never is willing until God gives a new heart....good verse.
Jesus was bearing witness against them....you miss the whole point, like here;
mt23:
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
ok...lets look at it...
You will not come to me is the condition of all natural men since the fall...they cannot come, they will not come....
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exactly....the natural men never is willing until God gives a new heart....good verse.
of course not....mans will...is bound by sin...
Man hate the true God...
Jesus was bearing witness against them....you miss the whole point, like here;
mt23:
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
I will defend most all of what he wrote...the disputes are minor in nature...
Yes.
Nope. Study it a little more. And note that Luke often groups his writing by topic rather than by chronology.
"we fully believe that [the rich young ruler] was one of God's elect and was 'saved' sometime after his interview with our Lord....It is written, 'Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out,' and this man certainly did 'come' to Him." —Arthur Walkington Pink, The Sovereignty of God
I am a Calvinist by free will, and I thank God that He made me willing.
Saved-By-Grace
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If I remember correctly, in probably late November, early December of last year, Mr Davis who was on here, asked you about this very thing, when I said then that Judas took the Lord's Supper, and that Jesus died for him, if this were right, and you said yes, Judas did part-take, and Jesus did die for him. Maybe you can find that conversation. What has changed your mind since then?
Saved-By-Grace
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"From Luke's account it appears most clearly, that Judas was not only at the passover, but at the Lord's supper, since this was said when both were over" (John Gill)
"it seems plain that Judas did receive the Lord's supper, did eat of that bread and drink of that cup; for, after the solemnity was over, Christ said, Behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. There have been those that have eaten bread with Christ and yet have betrayed him" (Matthew Henry)
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its good night from old England
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Inconsistent with your own teaching.I am a Calvinist by free will, and I thank God that He made me willing.
I don't think you'll find it is.
Banner of Truth's Censorship of Pink is discussed here:
The Banner Muzzles A.W. Pink (found partway down the page)
"In the preface to this edition, the publishers note that 'the contemporary value of the book could be increased by certain minor revisions and abridgements.' What were these 'minor' changes? THREE CHAPTERS and ALL FOUR APPENDICES were gone!...The Banner of Truth Trust whisked away 44% of the sections of Pink’s book....The chapters were: 'The Sovereignty of God and Reprobation,' 'God’s Sovereignty and Human Responsibility,' and 'Difficulties and Objections.' The appendices deal with the false distinction between decretive and permissive will, the foreordaining of the Fall, and treatments of John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2 to show that there is not a universal love or propitiation."
Pink is considered a forerunner of the 'Reformed Baptists' that developed in the latter half of the 20th century.
Tom Chantry, historian of the Reformed Baptist movement, titled the first chapter of his book "The Pink Wave":
chantrynotes.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/reflections-on-reformed-baptist-history-2-pink-wave/
Tom Chantry, historian of the Reformed Baptist movement, titled the first chapter of his book "The Pink Wave":
chantrynotes.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/reflections-on-reformed-baptist-history-2-pink-wave/
SheepWhisperer
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Interesting. This gives a different sequence.
Luke 22
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, 1 and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,2 This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 3 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.
I am fine with his orignal...maybe they were trying to to offend delicate persons like yourself...
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