The Bible condemns OSAS doctrine.. yet some folks still believe it

Uh no I am taking the text at face value. You add salvation to it. That is called Eisegesis.

 

You know, scripture is always the basis for my doctrine. This arrogant post only works to divide and create animosity. since you do not have the maturity level to have a conversation on doctrine without such caustic posts I will pass and leave you in your misery.

 

Since this has not produced any response it is obvious the title to the thread is more like click bait than it is reality. Title is not debunked.

 

Ezekiel 18:24 NASB “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die."
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Righteousness does not automatically mean "saved" ... remember:

Matthew 5:20 NASB "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
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The Pharisees had a righteousness that would not get them into the kingdom of heaven ... so too, the righteousness of the man in Ezekiel 18 who turns away.

Second point, it was his righteous deeds that would not be remembered. However Jesus did not say "I don't remember any of those good works that you did in my name." Jesus said "I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

So Ezekiel 18 has nothing to say about Matthew 7:23 and a Christian that has never been known by Christ is an absurd suggestion. Tares can LOOK like wheat for a little while, but a tare was never once a wheat.

 

So what does that have to do with Matthew 7:23 and the silly claim that people who Jesus NEVER KNEW were somehow saved?

So what does that have to do with Matthew 7:23 and the silly claim that people can be saved without Jesus and then loose their Jesus-free salvation?

Prove it. Saying it doesn't make it so. The issue is the claim that people that JESUS NEVER KNEW are being treated as once saved. Where is salvation apart from Christ taught in scripture?

Which again has no impact on Jesus claim "I never knew you" (Matthew 7:23) since Ezekiel says their "good deeds" will not be remembered because of their sins, not that God would not remember "them".

 

I have a question, although I have not read the entire thread yet. In John’s Gospel, Christ tells the apostles at the Last Supper to remain in his love. He adds that if we keep his commandments we will remain in his love. But he who does not remain in his love is "cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned" John 15:6. Now, if salvation cannot be lost, why would Jesus feel the need to tell anyone to remain in his love? It would be like locking a person in a closet and telling them to remain there. If they are unable to leave, it is senseless to ask them to remain.

In my thinking Jesus told his disciples to remain in his love because just as we enter freely into a relationship with Christ, we are free to leave him.

 

It sounds reasonable. But just for fun, try to find someone who chose to defy the will of God and succeeded?

Could Saul have said 'No.' when he was laying on the ground, blind outside Damascus. Reread the story, does God sound like he was asking Paul or telling him?

Moses clearly didn't want to go back to Egypt. So how did that end? Whose will was done?

Jonah actively and openly refused to go to Ninevah to preach a warning. So in the end, did Jonah preach a warning in Ninevah?

Jesus chose the twelve disciples and made a huge deal that he had lost none of those that the Father had given him ... except Judah (the son of perdition, and a devil) ... who we are told was only lost to fulfill scripture.

So where are these people who tell God "No"?
You would think that if everyone has a choice to quit at any time, then there should be examples in scripture.

 

Baptists, unlike Sda, based our theology upon Sola Scriptura!
Jesus stated that he will keep secured forever ALL those he saves, was he a liar, or telling the truth?

 

John 6:37-40,

 

I have said the following twice, but no one has debated it.

I see a problem now that is twofold:

1. You are elect or not, you have the Spirit of God indwelling you as an eternal deposit (Ephesians 1:14) or not, you are born again from above or not.

2. Our wills are appealed to in the bible in order to act morally and to prove our salvation.

Some have taken this to mean "Do everything as if it is all on me, and know it is all on God." I once read that in a conservative, literalist Study Bible. Could that argument be right?

 

All who are saved have been translated from the Kingdom of Satan into Kingdom of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit seals us forever!

 

Deal with John 6:37-40!