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Justification By Faith Alone is Not Biblical

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 30, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Amen, as the specific focus on that passage is those who will be following jesus as Apostles, not as to who were saved or not!
     
    #161 Yeshua1, Mar 31, 2018
  2. Saved-By-Grace

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    so did God Incarnate "choose" a lost person to be His Disciple?
     
    #162 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 31, 2018
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    Yes, so that the scripture prophecy of the OT concerning the Messiah be fulfilled!
     
    #163 Yeshua1, Mar 31, 2018
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    this is going away from the OP
     
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    No. The heart is changed BEFORE conversion/temporal salvation. It's the primary theme of the first 21 verses of John 3. Before one can enter, or even see the kingdom of God, they must FIRST be born from above.
     
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    never!
     
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    Indeed. Are you implying God was surprised by Judas' actions?
     
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    #168 Yeshua1, Mar 31, 2018
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    Take it up with the Judge.
     
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    no, God knew that Judas would betray Jesus, and used him, but did not "choose" him to do this
     
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    Indeed. You make my case. Born from above includes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

    No Spirit, no second birth.
     
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    prophecy fulfilled in Judas, he was not made to betray Jesus by God's power.
     
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    God chose Judas to fulfill the part of one to betray Jesus....
    God predestined judas to do such, but Judas still was a willing participate to being the betrayer!
     
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    God chose Judas to betray Jesus, and Judas willingly agreed to do that!
     
    #174 Yeshua1, Mar 31, 2018
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    this is complete nonsense! God made Judas SIN???
     
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    No, Judas Himself chose to do that!
     
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    read what you said, "God chose Judas TO BETRAY Jesus"
     
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    That is what the bible teaches!
     
    #178 Yeshua1, Mar 31, 2018
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    text?
     
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    Indeed, Scripture has many hard sayings.

    1Pet. 2:8 and
    “A stone of stumbling
    And a rock of offense.”     They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
     
    #180 Calminian, Mar 31, 2018
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