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Justification By Faith Alone is Not Biblical

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 30, 2018.

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  1. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

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    you are playing games with the Word of God. Typically of the "Reformed", they tend to choose the Scriptures that suit their theological bias, and either ignore or disregard those that are against what they believe. Listen, if you will, to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to ALL sinners:

    "except you REPENT, you shall all likewise PERISH" (Luke 13:3, 5)

    you will note that "lack of belief" is not even mentioned in the passage! If you do not REPENT, says God Incarnate, you WILL be going to eternal punishment.
     
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    so a sinner can be saved without forgiveness of sins? And this forgiveness can be without repenting? You have misread the Bible!
     
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    No. I drew from the context the works to which James was referring. You can argue what his use of 'justification' was with the Judge on that day.

    One of the biggest things I miss from the KJV is it's rendering of agape as 'charity'. It's the essence of the religion of Jesus Christ. It seems to escape many these days.
     
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    From your narrow unbiblical perspective, explain these 'odds':

    ....the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2:13

    ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified... Ro 3:20
     
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    Do not assume that I play games concerning the rendering of Scriptures.

    Have you looked at the context of Luke's recording of the statement of Christ?

    Clue: The repentance that the Lord is remarking about is NOT repentance unto eternal salvation but repentance unto PHYSICAL salvation.

    The Lord Jesus Christ even followed it up with a specific parable that the emphasis upon the physical not be missed.

    Let's discuss this point of bias you attempt to put forward.

    By your proof texting, you not only ignore the context, but attempt to demean and portray others as ignorant and dismissive. That type of posting is reactionary and is accountable to your OWN bias being threatened with the truth.

    Typically, it is a psychological resistance to change and generally is found most significantly among the various cult groupings. Not that I would consider you of such, but that same psychological resistance to change is seen on the BB when truth is shown. This is why the threads tend to become similar over similar issues.

    By presenting the Scriptures inappropriately and based upon your own bias, such does not allow for even the recognition of error even when an abundant of posters have pointed it out in their responses. Such must rely upon proof texting - which is evident in your use of Luke 13 without placing the statement into the correct context but attempting to manipulate it into some other that is inappropriate.
     
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    Never stated as much.

    I stated that one is saved by being a believer, not by repentance.

    Without the shedding of blood there was no forgiveness for sins.
     
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    Natural man, in their sin natures, are at war with God, will not bow to Him, and prefer to stay in their sins.
     
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    From the viewpoint of God from eternity, the elect are already fully forgiven, but still must have that come to pass in being now saved in this life!
     
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    Demons believe that there is a God, the saved believe in him to save them from their sins, hugh difference!
     
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    Both agree that the faith that saves is the one that produces good works!
     
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    Jesus said that the only work God needed so to speak was to believe in God, and His Son, Jesus Christ!
     
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    I can see that you have a different Bible to mine, and a different understanding of salvation, which will prove to be a waste of both our time, to continue this discussion. I wish you well.
     
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    so, what do you think Jesus meant by, "And that repentance for remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47)? Is Jesus mistaken here?
     
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    No, its that the repentance would be turning away from salvation by good works to faith in Him alone!
     
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    No. Both would agree that the HEART which produces the faith that saves is the one that produces good works:

    13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
    14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
    15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2
     
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    WOW!!! you Calvinists/Reformed do make it up as you go along!!! Now we have the new, unbiblical doctrine, that God has forgiven hell-deserving sinners, before they are even born, or even repent??? This is fantastic, and so very not Bible! I really wish you guys could stick to the Bible, and forget fancy theology!
     
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    John Calvin did have it right on this when he stated that faith alone saves us, but that type of faith will not be alone, without producung any good works!
     
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    God already has chosen the elect to receive eternal life in Christ, knows that their sins are forgiven already due to the Cross of Christ, but they still MUST receive jesus in their life to be saved!
     
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    but you believe that the sinners who are saved, are merely puppets who do nothing, as God has already done their repenting for them, and saved them!
     
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    Count me among them. Election is biblical.
     
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