Jesus Marvelled At Unblief! Why?

Rockson wrote: “Yes Dave but still falls far short of answering why he was surprised and marveled at their unbelief. There would be no surprise of that whatsoever if he had a Calvinists view that they couldn't believe anyway unless God put it in them.”

Yes, Rockson, if it were possible to prove your doctrine…… (the doctrine which allows men the freedom to choose to believe that which they naturally detest, as well as the ability to make good and holy use of their unregenerate, evil will through receiving and believing spiritual truth)…… by citing one Scripture taken out of context, then you have won the argument.

Let’s use the same rule book and examine another verse. It concerns the deceased Lazarus:

[When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.]

34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see (John 11:34)

Rockson, if you believe Jesus is both fully God and fully man as all orthodox Christians should, then how do you explain Jesus’ ignorance of what should be easily known to Him, since He is God in the flesh?

Taken out of context, this Scripture proves Jesus was not God, according to your rule book.

Do you now see the incongruity and absurdity of your rule book?

Dave Gilbert certainly does.

 

He marveled at the extent of unbelief, or lack of action or why they would not believe as He gave them faith to exercise.

It is the same meaning as

Mat 11:17

And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

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This is one of the lengthiest constructions of a strawman I've ever seen on BB. Congratulations.

 

You wouldn’t know a straw man if you wore ruby slippers, hung with dwarfs and consulted wizards.

Warning: Your yellow brick road does not lead you where you think it does.

 

July is almost over and we were all worried you'd go the whole month without being funny but you just made it. Congratulations.

 

Lol. Christ wasn't surprised. He was astonished. It was a spontaneous human emotional response to an amazing and astonishing display of hardness of heart. It doesn't mean He was surprised. You talk as if this caught Him off guard.

 

The reason Jesus could not do many mighty works was because their sins must be paid for before salvation and healing can justly take place. The unbelief was evidence for God leaving them to wallow in their sins. Whenever Jesus saw faith, he knew their sins were paid for in the atonement soon to take place.

 

I see. God "looked down through the corridors of time and saw that these people would be atoned."

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“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Revelation 13:8–9)

 

Non sequitur.

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All of the OT saints had faith, a fruit of the Holy Spirit. This is because Christ justified them by his blood. Could Jesus fail by not going to the cross? All of the faithful were saved and healed based of the inevitability of his atonement carried out in time.

“For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we may be holy and unblemished in his sight in love.” (Ephesians 1:4)

 

Not quite. He chose us before the foundation of the world to be holy, not because we were holy.

 

We are not Holy at all, just forgiven

 

“Pursue peace with everyone, and holiness, for without it no one will see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

 

pursue does not mean has

 

It still remains, without holiness you will not see Christ. "for without it no one will see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:14)

 

You said,

Whenever Jesus saw faith, he knew their sins were paid for in the atonement soon to take place.

If that's not the definition of looking into the future, I don't know what is...

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There is no salvation apart from Christ's atonement yet we know the OT saints were saved.