Arminianism & Calvinism issue to split over?

he is very confused, as his soteriology not found in the scriptures, and he thinks we all hold to Hyper calvinism! I guess holding to God being sovereign over salvation would seem very extreme to him!

 

God "played favorites" with the jewish nation in the OT, correct?

 

Not at all.

The text in Romans is not talking about God choosing a time or place; it is talking about God choosing people. The text clearly says "Those whom He...." In no way does Romans 8:29-30 talk about God foreknowing events; He foreknows people. And, according to Paul's usage just three chapters later, that word means "chose."

No, that is not what you said. You said "did predestinate, to predetermine, decide beforehand proorizō to become the image of His Son (not for salvation)" You cannot--at the same time--say that predestination is "not for salvation" and agree with me that predestination is for salvation.

I'm not arguing that God is not glorified in our salvation. What I'm arguing is your statement "note 5 He glorified those He justified (All glory is given back to God for saving us)" Of course we glorify God for our salvation. But, Romans 8:30 is clearly talking about God's "glorifying" of man, not man's praising of God.

Again, the term "hamfisted" is appropriate for your efforts.

The Archangel

 

Some gey hung up on Foreknowledge, as the biblical term used by Paul denotes God knowing that we are the saved and chosen, due toHim actually being the One that dtermines and causes us to be found in that state, as knowing means that God knows us as indivuals, as one of his sheep of His flock!

 

I meant most of the Calvinism taught today is HyperCalvinism

 

No, as the majority of the Systematic theologies written in the past and today would be high calvinism, but not the Hyper Branch!
Every calvinist hear would see the Gospel must still be prteached to all, as that is the means God ordained to reach out to His elect so that they might hear and believe and get saved!

 

Thank you for the clarification.

It is individuals or the redeemed as a group

Rom 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

God choose a place and time for you, if not you would not be here, undebatable.

he also did predestinate to beconformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

All you are predestined for is to have a body and be here and now

It might appear hamfisted but it is so obvious to me, that it is completely ridiculous.

The entire physical experience is to save sinners, to the glory of God

 

ok , I group them all as error and do not know the differences, thanks

 

Many have the same confusion as you do, as read a book by Norman Geisler who is very anti calvinist, but his views seem to be confsing Hyper cal as being normal version of it!

 

So God didn’t choose for himself a people (the children of Jacob, called Israel)?
The OT sure seems full of verses about God playing favorites. Ask the citizens of Jericho (oh that’s right, you can’t. God wiped them out to make room for His chosen people.)

 

Well, whatever you said, I believe it to be true.

 

Biblical Sotierology is evil?

 

Scripture and the character of God demand neither be true. I do not have to understand the difference to know both basically are in error and insult God and in conflict with Baptist teaching.

 

don't know don't care, both wrong and are in conflict with Baptist doctrine

 

Which baptist theology? the prominenet views of calvinism held for quite awhile, and not pushed away until after Civil war?