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Like I said, I think you are looking for a theological litany of things. But no matter it fundamentally boils down to Believing on the Lord Jesus and doing what he says. Why doesn't that cut it? It worked for his disciples.

 

Yes God can save a man who's idol has been wealth.

 

I did not misrepresent Adonia, I gave you what he said and the context in which he said it.

Not really,

So let's here it. What must I do to be saved? "Do what Jesus says"? Ok, tell me what Jesus says i must do to be saved?

On Eternal life? You have liberty to believe differently on this doctrine?

Define "entirely".

 

Well you know it does not cut it because if it did you wouldn't care whether or not Christians submitted to the RCC or not. You are here promoting the RCC as correct and right. So go ahead and tell us the Catholic stand on salvation. Adonia said the sacraments are included for eternal life. Do you agree?

 

Each point
- only after I said I agreed with him which you gave me a part of your conversation with him about faith not salvation
- The answer is the same. Believe on the Lord Jesus and do what he says. If you want to get into a discussion about the nature of salvation then ask that question.
- No you obviously didn't understand what I said which was simple many Catholics voice their opinions some are in line with Church teaching and others are not. We are not free to disagree with the deposit of faith.

 

First of all, believing on the Lord Jesus comes first and is all that is needed for salvation (Acts 16:30-31; Romans 4:4-5); doing what He says will inevitably follow the one who truly believes (e.g. Ephesians 2:8-10).
But I think the point Steaver is making is that if one's faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ and nothing else to save one, that is great.
But if one is trusting in one's baptism, in the 'mass,' in the intercession of the virgin Mary or of other 'saints,' in confession to a priest or, indeed, in one's good works, these are idols, for whatever is not of Christ is idolatry. 'Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved' (Acts 4:12).

 

Not asking about the nature of salvation. Asking what I must do to be saved. Catholics tell me I cannot rely upon Scripture Alone. So i ask you, a Catholic, to explain what the RCC's answer is to the question.

 

Look Steaver the Gospel message is just that simple.

What does Salvation mean to you?

 

Now you are jumping topics. You asked what you needed to do to be saved. It really is simple believe on the Lord Jesus and do what he says. Then you jump to Scripture Alone. You can't possible believe me to accept that you think scripture alone saves you. A man can read the bible from cover to cover and unless they have faith they are no closer to salvation than one who does not read it. Scripture Alone is a statement from the reformation on what is authoritative. A different topic all together.

 

If it is so simple, you could tell me what Jesus says to do to be saved? You keep saying do what Jesus says. Ok, tell me what Jesus says to do to be saved? You are Catholic, you claim to have more than the bible to answer these question concerning doctrine. You won't even give me Scripture, let alone what the RCC has taught you concerning what Jesus says we must do to be saved. Please answer, what did Jesus say we must do to be saved according to your Catholic education?

 

Yes, it is also the fruit of the vine, but that is not what Jesus used at the Last Supper. According to Luke 22:20: "After supper he took another cup of wine and said, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood, which is poured out as a sacrifice for you".

Why so dogmatic you ask? Because that is what was used, and that is the truth of the Scripture. One would think that taking the stand of "Sola Scriptura" as you do, you would be dogmatic about it also.

 

Hey, you have to do what you have to do and believe what you must for salvation. You know where I stand and I said as much before. Return to orthodox Christianity, live the sacraments, do your best to live a holy life, do good works, pray unceasingly, and look to Christ as Savior and the ultimate example of how one should live. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself - all just as the Scriptures tell us.

 

I'm trying my best. I do not in a homeless shelter, but darn well near it. When I am home my wife and I live in a RV and when I am out working I live in the cab of my 18 wheeler. Any more questions Mr. Smarty?

 

He's looking for a "gotcha', that's all. If you don't answer how he believes then you are simply wrong.

 

So I must return to orthodox Christianity to be saved? Is this the consensus of all the Catholics here? Or do you all have a different way to be saved?

 

Just going by what you said about what I must do to be saved, you are the one that said you must give up everything and be homeless. Apparently you are not practicing what you say you believe.

 

Just to be sure when you say "you" do you mean "you" as in me or "you as in Catholic"? It is an important distinction.

In regards to using scripture I can certainly use that to express what Jesus himself has said. Jesus said several things regarding salvation. You asked me what you need to do to be saved and I answered you. It is simple. Believe on the Lord Jesus and do what he says. So now you want to know what does Jesus say about salvation? Well these are some of the things Jesus said regarding salvation:

- Jn 14:6 Jesus said to him "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
- Jn 15:4 Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me.
- Jn 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Very truly, I tell you unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
- Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Very truly, I tell you no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of the water and the Spirit."

These are just some of the things Jesus said regarding Salvation and the Kingdom of God. He said other things as well. You should know they are all in the bible.

 

I was thinking of the Scripture where Jesus said for the rich guy to give up everything and follow him. Have you done that yourself? If not, why not? Jesus said that was the way to salvation and eternal life.

 

I guessed that. He is being obtuse by the questions. The answer is really as simple as I said it. If he wants a theological debate then he needs to ask the questions regarding Grace, Justification, Salvation, etc.. I will be glad to cover those but he asked a simple question the answer is just as simple and true.

 

If you are a Catholic, you would be Catholic.

Well, now we are getting somewhere. Could you expound on 6:53, how the person who wants to be saved would go about obeying this?

The bible is all I have, along with the Holy Spirit indwellement. Is this enough to understand Jn 6:53?