Sola Scriptura

What is blasphemous about the name "Pope" (Papa) or "Father"? The Scriptures have many examples where the term "Father" is used to describe people other than God, our Father in heaven.

Here is St. Paul speaking: "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

As for your other statement, you already admitted that St. Athanasius went to the Bishop of Rome for his backing concerning the Arian controversy, plus the other ECF's recognized his leadership. If I am correct, the term "Roman" came out as a pejorative after the renegades of the 16th century came on the scene. Do you acknowledge St. Augustine? Here is what he said of the Bishop of Rome:

St. Augustine
"If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church’ . . . [Matt. 16:18]. Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus . . . " (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]).

So as of your point - it is mistaken.

 

this is just random verses, no point at all

 

would you list here for our benefit , the other two?

 

Read Roby's first sentence. History and reality. Those are what he seemingly puts above the Bible.

 

NONSENSE, Mother Mary is not Asherah or any ary , your indoctrinated . Cannot be the same religious practice when she is not a PAGAN god. You obviously have not read scripture concerning scepters , crowns and thrones for those who overcome. And based on your,lack of following SCRIPTURE ALONE, you miss out on your reign in Christ because you refuse to esteem the MOTHER OF OUR LORD. A saint does not esteem himself like Protestants like to do, but esteems the gift of another.

You have not shown a SINGLE scripture to rebuke what I shared with scriptural support. Show me where Christ said your reward is to NOT to sit with me upon my throne, or to not receive a crown or to NOT receive an iron scepter? Did Christ promise to ary or Asherah reign in Him and of Himself? No! saying something is pagan without support of claim is just flipping off at the mouth.
Rev.3:21
21To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
TO THE ONE WHO IS VICTORIOUS! Is Mother Mary victorious? Did she go to hell or heaven? When are you considered victorious? From where is your reign?
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
ARE THE APOSTLE ON 12 THRONES? Does a throne denote a royal priesthood? Royal priest in Christ are they kings over the earth in Christ, who is KING of kings and LORD of lords. Even a 5yr old can figure this out.
2 Timothy 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He will also deny us;

WE WILL REIGN WITH HIM. Who are you saying Mother Mary REIGNS with? Are you relegating her to the lot of demons which is what the pagan gods truly are?

Revelation 2:26
And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.

WHERE IS VICTORY? WHAT IS ENDURE TO THE END? WHAT IS AUTHORITY OVER NATIONS? WHO IS BLESSED AMONG WOMEN= ALL WOMEN. And she is also least among men making her greatest. PROOF , with scripture alone.

Who is considered to be the greatest born of women?
Jesus Testifies about John Mathew 11:10-12
…10This is the one about whom it is written: ‘Behold, I will send My messenger ahead of You, who will prepare Your way before You.’ 11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subject to violence, and the violent lay claim to it.…

If Mother Mary is Blessed among women=all women, and John is consider to be the greatest born of women, but the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than him, then Mother Mary is greater than even John the Baptist, because she is a women the weaker vessel and least because she is a women among men! SOLA SCRIPTURA!

Revelation 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and He will be accompanied by His called and chosen and faithful ones."

Revelation 5:10
You have made them into a kingdom, priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth."

Revelation 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

You better get RIGHT with the WORD or not a good end for you! SOLA SCRIPTURA!
MOTHER MARY to never be aligned with demons by the likes of you or anyone. I as a child of the Most high will always defend the Family of Christ.

 

Yes, I believe all prophecies have been fulfilled, though not all future personal events, of course. The Parousia of Christ has already come upon us. There is no future Millennium. There is a present Kingdom now and forever.

What is still future is that we all will still die and Christians will be with Christ. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".[/QUOTE]
TOTES DISAGREE!

 

PRETERIST IS A BUNCH OF BUNK AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT! THIS FORUM BETTER STOP ATTRIBUTING TO ME FALSE TEACHING AND FALSE QUOTES that I did not speak! Slanders! "Thou shalt NOT bear false witness ".

Figures you would use a worldly quote to try and give rebuttal against the truth. Am I missing something , are there not any true followers of Christ in here who see this convoluted nonsense?!

Spiritual Wisdom 1Corinthians 2:13-15
…13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.…

 

asteriskto SAID: And this is why I am a preterist.

OFLIVINGWATERS SAID: So do you believe all prophesies have already happened or at least , most of them?[/QUOTE]

robycop3 SAID: Preterism is also phony as a Ford Corvette. History and reality prove this.

Do you really think you will not answer for all this nonsense? You are all trying to attribute false statements to me in order to make yourselves appear good. You do know you are not guaranteed tomorrow right? Have you no fear of God?

 

oflivingwaters asked this question.
robycop3 said this response:
(Preterism is also phony as a Ford Corvette. History and reality prove this.[/QUOTE])

 

Sola Scriptura , all that is being discussed is relevant because all must be supported by scripture, maybe you regret making the thread? It would seem most of your views are what are not in line with scripture.

 

The Scriptures are very clear; I gave the verse earlier, but I will print it out for you in case you missed it. Matthew 23:9. 'And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father and He is in heaven.' So how do we reconcile this verse with 1 Cor. 4:14f? It's not hard. Paul was the Corinthians' father in Christ because it was under his ministry that the Corinthian Christians were saved. They trusted in the word of God that they heard from him. But Paul does not set himself up as the 'father' of all Christians, quite simply because he isn't.

That is not what I said. Athanasius came to Rome to put himself under the protection of the man who had power in Rome-- Constans, the Western Emperor.

You are not correct. 'Roman' was used by the eastern churches also.

In what sense? There was someone called Augustine of Hippo who wrote some good stuff and some real rubbish.

That is some of the rubbish. The order of episcopal succession is not to be considered. It is not found in the Bible. If leaders err, they not to be followed because someone else has laid hands on them and prayed over them. We say with Christ, "They are blind guides; leave them alone!" Even Cyprian knew better than Augustine at this point. He wrote accusing Bishop Stephen of Rome of 'error, arrogant claims, irrelevant statements and contradictions.' Not that I am any fan of Cyprian; just sayin'

But Augustine did say some good stuff; here is some of it:

'All things that are read from the Holy Scriptures in order to our instruction and salvation, it behooves us to hear with earnest heed......And yet even in regard of them (A thing which you ought especially to observe, and to commit to your memory, because that which shall make us strong against insidious errors, God has been pleased to put into the Scriptures, against which no man dares speak, who in any sort wishes to seem a Christian), when He had given Himself to be handled by them, that did not suffice Him, but He would also conform by means of the Scriptures the heart of them that believe; for He looked forward to us who should come afterwards; seeing that in Him we have nothing that we can handle, but have that which we may read' ('Ten homilies on the First Epistle of John, Homily 2, 1 John 2:12-17).

Now, to compare Sola Scriptura with sola ecclesia, compare the words above with those of Ignatius Loyola:

'That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity with the Church herself, if she shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it black' ('Rules for thinking with the Church' Rule 13).

 

No, she is not Asherah, and no one should make out that she is by calling her 'Queen of heaven.' There is one great throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2; 22:3), and at the centre of it is the Lamb (Revelation 5:6). There are subsidiary thrones where the 24 elders sit, but there is no queen of heaven.

 

She was a sinner who needed to have her son die for her sins in order to be forgiven and born again and redeemed!

 

You really cannot put 2and 2 together can you? Again typical Protestant, taking one scripture and ignoring every other one posted as if the scriptures contradict themselves. FULL OF PRIDE! If a man is a king then what is a women, and more than any woman what is the MAIN Woman to be???

Mary is daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Queen mothers were established in Israel early on. You are not going to rewrite what was firmly established among the faithful. The Hebrews are to whom the Word of God came.Queen Mother-
it is in the foundation. It is funny , you Protestants have no problem acknowledging the queenship of Sara (Sara itself means queen) and many other women of the bible but try and deny Mary's queenship in the King Of kings.

Bottom Line: MARY IS A DESCENDANT of king David, that in and of itself makes her of a royal blood line no matter her humble estate, that on earth according to Hebrew tradition. But, greater than that she is chosen by heaven to be as such, for all in Christ receive THRONES, CROWNS AND SCEPTERS! Learn to read.

The queen mother in Israel had a powerful influence in the kingdom. This power and authority flows from her status as Gebirah (queen mother) . In Israel the queen mother preceded her son in existence (obviously not in the case of Christ though), sometimes she would rule in his stead (Cf. 2 Kings 10:13: "We are kinsmen of Ahaziah," they replied. "We are going down to visit the princes and the family of the queen mother" and at times also abuse her authority. (Cf. 2 Jeremiah 13:18: "Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne.")

However, Queen Mother Mary never rules in Christ's stead; she does not command her Son, yet He is inclined to fulfill her wishes. Her authority in the kingdom is authentic but always dependent on the King. (Cf. John 2:5. 'Do whatever He tells you.')

The queen mother of Israel interceded in behalf of the subjects of the kingdom. She was their most powerful, and therefore preferred, advocate. Her specific place of honor and intercession is dramatically illustrated in the following passage from 1 Kings 2: 13-21:

"Adonijah, son of Haggith, went to Bathsheba. the mother of Solomon. "Do you come as a friend?" she asked. "Yes," he answered and added. "I have something to ask to you." She replied, "Say it." So he said, "There is one favor I would ask of you. Do not refuse me." And she said, "Speak on." He said, "Please ask King Solomon, who will not refuse you, to give me Abishag the Shunamite for my wife." "Very well," replied Bathsheba, "I will speak to the king for you." Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right. "There is one small favor l would ask of you," she said. "Do not refuse me." "Ask It, my mother," the king said to her, "for I will not refuse you. So she said, "Let Abishag the Shunamite be given to your brother Adonijah for his wife." SOLA SCRIPTURA!

Mary's queenly function consists in interceding on our behalf. It is anchored in her early role as Mother of the Redeemer and Mother of the redeemed.

Christ did not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to fulfill. Are you going to try and say he did not appoint a Queen Mother? The Mother of Our Lord and our Mother was to teach and guide Christ in wisdom, that is what her anointing was.
Why do you think God came and gave Himself into her trust? You will loose attacking the role of Mother Mary. attack the false doctrine of Popes and pastors but not her and those who follow the Word!

 

First of all , she was saved too. I have posted about this many moons ago. unfortunately it seems that in this forum when your beliefs are true and cannot be refuted they delete your post, or alter your post or ban you. If you want to know my understanding of this "Mary was a sinner too" I'll share with you elsewhere.But it is funny , scripture says all generations shall call me blessed and all people like you focus on "she is a sinner" INDOCTRINATION ! I guess the generations which call her blessed are those generations who are actually in Christ. Not those who think they are and do works in His name.

A Tree and its Fruit Matthew 7:21-23
…21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…

 

Mary was a peasant girl who loved Yahweh, and was willing to have the Son of God, and so she was blessed among women, but was not above all other women, as she was a lost sinner like all of us who needed Jesus to save her from her sins!

 

The very concept of the papacy is foreign to the scriptures!

 

YEAH ,I know it....... no not really!
King James Version Luke 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Do you need a dictionary or an ELA lesson to learn what (blessed among women) means? IT MEANS AMONG WOMEN SHE IS BLESSED AND HIGHLY FAVORED AS THE ANGEL GABRIEL SAID. Boy! the jezebel spirit is at work in here. Peasant or not she is of a royal blood line, and greater than that chosen of the Lord for the biggest miracle (THE INCARNATION OF GOD). Are you drinking before you post? She is blessed AMONG WOMEN ....PERIOD!
I guess an ELA lesson is necessary :
fa·vored
/ˈfāvərd/
adjective
adjective: favoured; adjective: favored
preferred or recommended.
a·mong
/əˈməNG/
preposition
preposition: among; preposition: amongst
1.
surrounded by; in the company of.
2.
being a member or members of (a larger set).
high·ly
/ˈhīlē/
adverb
adverb: highly
to a high degree or level.
"a highly dangerous substance" (She is highly dangerous to abuse and denounce for you or anyone.)
synonyms: very, extremely, exceedingly, particularly, most, really, thoroughly, decidedly, distinctly, exceptionally, immensely, greatly, inordinately, SINGULARLY, extraordinarily

In conclusion and the sum of the matter- She is (preferred) of women meaning , the company she is of-,as a member of a large set of people -(WOMEN) chosen of them ALL , HIGHLY FAVORED AMONG THEM. That means there can be NO EQUAL . Why?
Do you know anyone else who was a sign of a VIRGIN who conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT???
If so I would like to shake her hand, and I would like to see the( other VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD) ) scripture, proof that she fulfilled that.
Now you can just keep grasping at straws (WOOD ,HAY ,STRAW which will burn and = false doctrine) or how 'bout you get a handle on the Word and the precious gems doctrine.

 

The only reason that she has any favor with god would be due to the Cross of Christ on her behalf, as in the sight of God, my saved Mother had equal favor with God as her!