Christ's Return: Spiritual or Physical?

No; both full & partial preterism are wrong. ! Cor. 15 is about Jesus' time after He was resurrected, but before He returned to heaven. It is NOT about His coming glorious return when He will be seen by all.

Sorry, prets, but you don't have one quark of **PROOF** to sustain your assertions. The prophesied eschatological events simply haven't yet happened, simple as THAT!

 

The dead in Christ will return with him and be reunited with their physical/glorified bodies, and those of us alive here will be changed into physically glorified bodies!

 

Apostle John see that the Blessed hope for us is that we shall see Him at the Second Coming, then become just as he is in that physical glorified body!

 

I think that he teaches when Jesus ascended, he cast off that body for a new spiritual one, without any scars or wounds!

 

They MUST show that in history the physical resurrection of the Church of Christ actually happened.

 

What do you think of those who claim to have visited Heaven during near-death experiences? Are they legit?

 

OF COURSE preterism brings insults, because it's FALSE!

I, & others, have repeatedly asked the prets here to provide some **PROOF/EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION** that what they SAY has happened, has ACTUALLY happened, and all they've provided is non-believable stuff, & often, outright-GOOFY material.

Non-believable: Josephus wrote that he saw chariots in the sky over Jerusalem. Funny that SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND other people then present, didn't see them!

Goofy: Caesar's likeness on Roman coins was the marka the beast. Well, then, there must be several "beasts" loose right now, as ALL our money bears someone's likenesses!

***PRETERISM - PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!**

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Now, is there any evidence that Jesus changed bodies from the one He appeared in after His resurrection, before He returned to heaven?

You wanna focus on "in like manner"? Easy enough! The angels didn't say "EXACT manner". Now, how did He leave? He simply ASCENDED. He vanished from sight when He entered a cloud, same as a bird or aircraft does. So, when He returns, He will simply appear in the sky, & simply DESCEND.
Differences?
He will be in His full power & glory. What type of body, I don't know. What size He will be, I don't know. And, EVERYONE SHALL SEE HIM, even those in sheol/hades. Other than that, His descent will be just like His ascent.
The Greek here is "hos tropos", & "in like manner" seemstabee an accurate English translation.

So really, what's the prob with "in like manner"?

 

Most, I don't believe. Paul said he saw things he couldn't talk about. Seems as if SATAN cast illusions upon most of these folks, especially as most saw an unidentifiable light at the end of a "tunnel".

 

Thanks. Some accounts that I've read were not even from Christians, so that adds to the Satanic illusion.

 

Yes, as many of those experiences do not mention Jesus, but just a light, and also state that people can get to heaven apart from Christ!

 

You do not see Christians as ever having a physical resurrection, but all a spiritual one at death, correct?

 

We must all remember that Satan works 24/7 to deceive both the lost & the saved. He wants to keep the lost lose, and cause the saved to backslide, and to limit their ability to spread the Gospel, if he can. He has a "scratch" doctrine for every itching ear, and is constantly inventing hedinistic pleasures for man to try to keep his attention from God.

Satan loves it when men don't believe he exists, or is mostly powerless. He knows such people are his best pawns. And as for us Christians, let's never forget that Satan was created as the most powerful of the Cherubim, which are the most-powerful of created beings. ONLY GOD IS MORE-POWERFUL THAN SATAN!

Now, I'm not sitting here praising Satan! I'm just reminding people of how powerful he is, and that we have no chance against him without GOD. But remember, God said to the Christian, "Resist the devil, & he shall flee from you". But, like 'The Terminator', he'll be back!

As for Satan's illusions to one who undergoes a NDE, remember, God said he can transform to appear as an angel of light. But what he CANNOT is imitate Jesus so that he appears to be Jesus!

Jesus gave us a good bit of details about His return and the events surrounding it for a reason. He said EVERYONE will see it,& that evidently includes the souls now in sheol/hades, be they in paradise or torments. The coming 'antichrist', who will be indwelt by Satan, & who will claim to be God, will deceive all who give their hearts to him & take his 'mark', but he CANNOT imitate the return of JESUS. That return will be LITERAL & PHYSICAL, & won't be mistaken for anything else, no matter what the antichrist does or says. Shortly after Jesus "touches down" on the Mt. of Olives, the antichrist & his sidekick the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire, becoming its first residents.

Long as we keep our attention on GOD, we will be safe from Satan!

 

Very simple...Just show us an historical account of those prophesied eschatological events having actually already occurred. And, BTW, chariots in the sky was not one of them.

The several hunderd thousand? Well, just the whole population of Jerusalem, the Roman army surrounding it, & the people in nearby locations such as Bethlehem & Emmaus, that's all!

So, please tell us, who was the "beast", who was his sidekick the false prophet, what did the mark of the beast look like, & who administered it?

 

Ya don't take'em seriouslt cuz they **PROVE** preterism false.

No EVIDENCE = no TRUTH!

 

The Sky will be split in half, there will be a Hugh earthquake when Jesus feet touch earth, the dead in Christ shall have risen, and those alive in him been glorified, NONE of that happened Ad 70!

 

Sorry, Sir, but the error is YOURS, and it comes from reducing "inconvenient" Scriptures to "symbolism/apocalyptic language".

Now, in the Olivet Discourse, did Jesus not predict war/rumor of war, persecution of Christians with decapitations, Jerusalem's being trod underfoot by gentiles til the gentiles' time was up, the coming of false messiahs & "prophets", that many would be "offended", with betrayals common, among other things?(As well as the destruction of Jerusalem & the temple.) And did/are these things occurring, or have already occurred LITERALLY, TO THE LETTER of Jesus' prophecy?

Having seen that the Olivet Discourse, as well as related prophecies from Daniel, Revelation, etc. have come to pass LITERALLY so far, there's simply NO valid reason to deny that the rest will come to pass JUST-AS-LITERALLY. There's NO "secret return" of Jesus prophesied in Scripture.

Daniel first mentioned the AOD & told us what it'll be - the antichrist/beast will set up his statue in the temple in Jerusalem, accompanied by his sidekick, the false prophet, and from there, the AC will declare himself to be God. THAT'LL BE THE AOD! The closest thing to it in the old temple was Antiochus Epiphanes' setting up of a statue of Jupiter in the temple, and his sacrificing a pig upon the altar, in 168-167BC, along with much destruction in Jerusalem. Some people believed this was the AOD, but JESUS said "when you see it", showing it was still future. And NOTHING of that sort occurred in the old temple after that.

And we know the Jews have the plans, materials, and even the animals ready to build another temple in short notice. That temple will be where the AOD will occur.

What about the mark of the beast? Nothing of the sort has ever occurred before, aside from ink stamps, etc. which could be easily duped or erased at will. Now, the tech exists for a permanent "mark" in the form of an embedded microchip.

You keep saying I wouldn't believe the "evidence" for preterism anyway, and so far, you're right there. Why? Because THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY BELIEVABLE EVIDENCE PRESENTED ! ! Josephus saw chariots in the sky? Funny, the entire population of Jerusalem missed seeing them, as did the entire Roman army in the area! And we're supposed to take Josephus' lone word on that, when SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND other people missed it??????????????????????????????????????

Sorry, Sir, you simply don't have one quark of credible **PROOF/EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION** to sustain any of preterism's assertions, full or partial. Preterism is just another false man-made "ism" satan has made to try to dilute Christianity.

Plainly, Jesus' return will be PHYSICAL & FULLY VISIBLE TO EVERYONE, even souls in hades! Now, what type of body He will have, I don't know, but it will be a body, and everyone will know who it is!